View Poll Results: Why do you like conspiracy theories?

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  • They provide the hidden truth about what is going on.

    6 60.00%
  • I like to figure out what motivates the people who develop them.

    3 30.00%
  • They show how gullible people are.

    4 40.00%
  • They provide me with a good belly laugh.

    5 50.00%
  • Some are true.

    6 60.00%
  • All are true.

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  • They are seldom ever true.

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  • They confirm what I hate about certain groups.

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  • It's fun to speculate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    You want a real-life conspiracy theory happening right now? Here it is...

    Flight 370 The CIA Hoax: Gordon Duff

    MORE: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03...x-gordon-duff/
    No. This is for CTs later proven to be true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    No. This is for CTs later proven to be true.
    Pity because Mossad did it for stashing the 777 in readiness for crashing into another building and blaming Iran.

    DDWN: Will Israel crash a 777 into a building and blame Iran?

    Christopher Bollyn writes: “Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155, an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November 2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making? Where is this plane today?”Blaming Iran for a 777-into-building crash would be a tough sell. But when planes hit buildings, people believe what they’re told – no matter how ridiculous.

    SOURCE: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/27/ddwn-israel777/
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    Here's a good one -

    23. Kennedy Assassination – the 2nd Investigation by Congress Few People Know About, United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA): The HSCA was established in 1976 to investigate the John F. Kennedy assassination and the Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination. The Committee investigated until 1978, and in 1979 issued its final report, concluding that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated by a conspiracy involving the mob, and potentially the CIA. The House Select Committee on Assassinations undertook reinvestigations of the murders of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. In 1979, a single Report and twelve volumes of appendices on each assassination were published by the Congress. In the JFK case, the HSCA found that there was a “probable conspiracy,” though it was unable to determine the nature of that conspiracy or its other participants (besides Oswald). This finding was based in part on acoustics evidence from a tape purported to record the shots, but was also based on other evidence including an investigation of Ruby’s mafia connections and potential CIA and/or FBI connections to Oswald. To this day, many conspiracy deniers are unaware that the Congressional investigation into JFK’s assassination concluded beyond any shadow of a doubt that it was a conspiracy.
    This is a good example of "conspiracy theory jabberwocky." In this paragraph above it is first stated that the report (if such a report even existed; never assume the conspiracy theorist is telling the truth) concluded that JFK was "probably assassinated by a conspiracy involving the mob, and potentially the CIA." The paragraph goes on to aver in its final sentence that the investigation "concluded beyond any shadow of a doubt that it was a conspiracy." Now how, praytell, do probably and potentially add up to beyond any shadow of a doubt? Next, it must be concluded that since the Congress did nothing about it, there must not have been enough evidence to "prove" any such conspiracy, because they did not pursue it any further. The report was inconclusive. "Probably" does not get it. There was not enough evidence to pursue it further in a court of law, or in the Congress for that matter.


    The other prominent thing about this case is that there is no question that a crime was committed. The only thing lacking is convincing evidence as to whether additional participants existed. It could well be that it was a conspiracy of two people, Oswald and some other nefarious non-government, non-mob, non-CIA, and non-foreign government related individual. The court is focused primarily on convicting the suspect in hand, more so than proving he acted alone. One can say this about any crime ever committed in the United States or elsewhere. Was it a lone gunman who shot people in a Colorado movie theater? Was it a lone gunman who shot people from a rooftop in Austin, Texas? Was Sirhan Sirhan acting alone when he shot Edward Kennedy? Was Abraham Lincoln really shot by John Wilkes Booth?

    I must conclude that even this case does not have proof that a conspiracy exists. If it does, as you contend, let someone prove it in a court of law. A conspiracy without a conspiracist is no conspiracy at all. Until you can "prove" it, what's all the jabbering about? Stop it! Conjecture upon conjecture upon conjecture! Nothing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post

    Pity because Mossad did it for stashing the 777 in readiness for crashing into another building and blaming Iran.

    DDWN: Will Israel crash a 777 into a building and blame Iran?

    Christopher Bollyn writes: “Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) – 28416/155, an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November 2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making? Where is this plane today?”Blaming Iran for a 777-into-building crash would be a tough sell. But when planes hit buildings, people believe what they’re told – no matter how ridiculous.

    SOURCE: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/27/ddwn-israel777/
    A perfect example. No comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    This is a good example of "conspiracy theory jabberwocky." In this paragraph above it is first stated that the report (if such a report even existed; never assume the conspiracy theorist is telling the truth) concluded that JFK was "probably assassinated by a conspiracy involving the mob, and potentially the CIA."

    I must conclude that even this case does not have proof that a conspiracy exists. If it does, as you contend, let someone prove it in a court of law. A conspiracy without a conspiracist is no conspiracy at all. Until you can "prove" it, what's all the jabbering about? Stop it! Conjecture upon conjecture upon conjecture! Nothing more.
    At least HSCA does appear to be real, though as the article pointed out it never gets mentioned, as though there was only ever the Warren Commission -
    http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/
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    Details to infographic found here: http://www.criminaljusticedegreehub....racy-theories/

    Last edited by DDutton; March 28th, 2014 at 10:35 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    At least HSCA does appear to be real, though as the article pointed out it never gets mentioned, as though there was only ever the Warren Commission -
    http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/
    Underscoring that there is a conspiracy to keep the world ignorant of the facts surrounding the assassination secret.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Underscoring that there is a conspiracy to keep the world ignorant of the facts surrounding the assassination secret.
    Whoa, there was no conspiracy to keep the world ignorant of the facts surrounding the assassination, there was only a conspiracy of common sense and decorum to keep such a matter low key. It's all in the Congressional record, is it not, a public record. Regardless, many things are done in secret, which does not mean to say that they are conspiracies. Do we conspire when we share a secret with out wives or best friends? Do Catholics conspire when they go to confession? Do we conspire when we plan a make up our weekly shopping list? Maybe we could post it on the Internet so that everyone can see, but it's really not for their eyes, nor was the investigation of the JFK assassination, which really ended up where it began, that is, believing there was more to the event that met the eye, but finding nothing to move the envelop forward. It remains shrouded in mystery, and until proof appears, it will remain so shrouded. I believe they acted in good faith and with good taste in keeping that investigation low key, what with all the media wanting to blow such things out of proportion and stir up the country, without cause.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    So you're calling a planned conspiracy (Operation Northwoods) that never took place a conspiracy theory that proved true? That doesn't make any sense to me.
    In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement or plan between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future.

    con·spir·a·cy
    1. the act of conspiring.
    2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
    3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose.
    4. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    If you want to specify one theory that was proven, let me know, but I'm not going to address an entire article. But let's take one of them, the heart attack weapon. Conspire? What is wrong with a country that, in the interest of protecting it's citizens, develops all kinds of different weapons to use against the enemy? It's reminiscent of "Q" in James Bond thrillers. We expect our secret services to develop such weapons, whose value diminishes if veryone knows about them. That's no conspiracy theory, and I'm glad it's true. I hope they use it wisely as a measure to save lives from those who pose an imminent threat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement or plan between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future.

    con·spir·a·cy
    1. the act of conspiring.
    2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
    3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose.
    4. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
    But when a part of an organization conspires to commit a crime, and the chain of command in than organization puts the kibosh on it, so that it never gets off the drawing board, I think we have a different situation. I don't think that any of those "conspirators" would be subject to prosecution, since the organization stopped the ill-conceived plan from going forward. I'm sure there are parts of our secret services whose job it is to develop plans to further the interests of the United States, some of them which you might judge to be criminal, and those in charge rightly nip them in the bud. Sometimes, I'm sure, too, it is difficult to determine the morality of a so-called "criminal" act when considering the benefits to be derived, as in the saving of many lives. It's a ticklish area, to be sure, but does not in my mind rise to the level of a conspiracy theory. If the head of the CIA gives it the nod to go ahead, then you may have a conspiracy, but not even then, a theory-- it's a fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    If you want to specify one theory that was proven, let me know, but I'm not going to address an entire article. But let's take one of them, the heart attack weapon. Conspire? What is wrong with a country that, in the interest of protecting it's citizens, develops all kinds of different weapons to use against the enemy? It's reminiscent of "Q" in James Bond thrillers. We expect our secret services to develop such weapons, whose value diminishes if veryone knows about them. That's no conspiracy theory, and I'm glad it's true. I hope they use it wisely as a measure to save lives from those who pose an imminent threat.
    Don't just cherry-pick the 'not-qualified' ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Underscoring that there is a conspiracy to keep the world ignorant of the facts surrounding the assassination secret.

    Here's some more ...
    The majority of these are not even conspiracies. Just becasue something is secret, sometimes not even purposely secret, does not make it a conspiracy. And just because people conspired to do something, does not mean that what they are doing is a crime or in any way something that they should not be doing.

    The one they touted most highly was that wrestling was fixed. Now, I wonder why there is not a conspiracy theory to that effect? Could it be because everyone already knows it?

    And the one about the polio vaccine being contaminated. It was found to be so after the fact, but that does not mean that anyone conspired to poison the American people. All those who believed that vaccines contained poison were not thinking so about this particular vaccine. They were thinking about it as a widespread conspiracy. In fact, even in this one case that was proven, it was not a conspiracy.

    And the heart attack gun! I knew about that from some mystery novel 40 or so years ago. I think our technology is lagging behind our fiction writers. It's not a conspiracy, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    ...the one about the polio vaccine being contaminated. It was found to be so after the fact, but that does not mean that anyone conspired to poison the American people.
    Keeping the secret after the fact with official denials DOES constitute conspiracy.
    But a better example would be the (proven) conspiracy to poison Americans with tainted booze during prohibition.
    The little-told story of how the U.S. government poisoned
    alcohol during Prohibition with deadly consequences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Keeping the secret after the fact with official denials DOES constitute conspiracy.
    But a better example would be the (proven) conspiracy to poison Americans with tainted booze during prohibition.
    The little-told story of how the U.S. government poisoned
    alcohol during Prohibition with deadly consequences.
    Keeping something secret is not necessarily a bad thing.. It's a judgment call. The government would have to weigh the consequences of revealing versus keeping quiet, that is, they have to weight what is more in the public interest. If they are wrong, they are not necessarily criminal, which involves intent.

    DId you read the article on the government poisoning of alcohol. It appears that everyone knew they were doing it. They were trying various ways to make alcohol undrinkable. Some ways made the alcohol taste bitter. Other ways poisoned but did not kill. Frustrated at not being able to halt alcohol consumption, they upped the percentage too far. After it had become lethal, they backed away from the program. Some people, the article said, thought the government was well within its rights, in order to stop the consumption of this illegal substance. I guess some people felt if you break the law, you reap the consequences. It was a stupid policy, but not unlike some other stupid policies of the present day. I wonder which kills more people, poisoning alcohol, or spending your way to prosperity? Anyway, I'm not sure it was a conspiracy theory, because people knew they were doing it. Would you trust the government not to up the dosage of poison too much? And you had to break the law in order to get poisoned. But I admit, it was a terrible thing that they did, although I do not think they tried to kill people. Who knows, the person they killed might be their bosses, or Congressmen, so I doubt their purpose was to kill. That was the outcome of a very stupid policy.
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