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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    He never said that...
    He said do not. I say DO decriminalize hard drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    He said do not. I say DO decriminalize hard drugs.
    Without question, shake-and-bake drugs like meth are destroying rural America with frightening speed. Nearly everyone with a still-functioning mind agrees that meth, crack and heroin should be illegal. [Mike Adams]

    I'm with Mike 100% on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Without question, shake-and-bake drugs like meth are destroying rural America with frightening speed. Nearly everyone with a still-functioning mind agrees that meth, crack and heroin should be illegal. [Mike Adams] I'm with Mike 100% on this one.
    You and Mike are wrong. I'm with former federal judge Jim Gray -

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    And I'm with LEAP -

    Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

    Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) is a 501(c)3 non-profit, international, educational organization comprising former and current police officers, government agents and other law enforcement agents who oppose the current War on Drugs. LEAP believes legalized regulation is the only ethical and efficient way to undo the damage caused by the War on Drugs. Legalized regulation would result in a system in which the sale and distribution of drugs is regulated by a government body similar to the regulation of alcohol and tobacco, thereby inhibiting, and eventually removing, the criminal monopoly on the sale of current illicit drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    And I'm with LEAP -

    Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

    Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP) is a 501(c)3 non-profit, international, educational organization comprising former and current police officers, government agents and other law enforcement agents who oppose the current War on Drugs. LEAP believes legalized regulation is the only ethical and efficient way to undo the damage caused by the War on Drugs. Legalized regulation would result in a system in which the sale and distribution of drugs is regulated by a government body similar to the regulation of alcohol and tobacco, thereby inhibiting, and eventually removing, the criminal monopoly on the sale of current illicit drugs.
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    Jim Gray was so impressive and I was so impressed that Mike and I are reconsidering our position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Jim Gray was so impressive and I was so impressed that Mike and I are reconsidering our position.

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    We are reconsidering our position. We did not say we have done a Mitt and flip-flopped... yet. At the moment in this country, there is a plague of epic proportions of meth; just like in rural America. Most of this meth seems to be produced by various outlaw bikie gangs. This drug is apparently fairly easy to mix in your own kitchen if you have the required ingredients and knowhow. Its effect on addicts is horrendous to behold, as their lives spiral deep out of control and often fuel outbreaks of serious crime. Like crack cocaine and ice, this meth is a terrible drug. It is not a natural drug like pot and peyote, and is always cooked up by totally immoral creeps in it just for their own disgusting greed. In the meth, ice and crack case, greed is not good as Gordon Gekko might say.

    Are Jim Gray and Zengrifter suggesting that meth, ice and crack should be freely available under government supervision and control? If so, that does not seem to be a good idea to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Are Jim Gray and Zengrifter suggesting that meth, ice and crack should be freely available under government supervision and control?
    Absof**kinglutely!
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    Should we legalize hard/illicit drugs?

    NPR debate -
    http://www.npr.org/2012/11/15/165211...legalize-drugs

    10 Reasons to legalise all drugs
    http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugten.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Absof**kinglutely!
    Um, yeah, right. That's a nice little solution, ain't it. Firstly the Hells Angels and the other bunches of cruddy misfits that have been cooking up this shit since forever have shown time and again they don't like competition and are prepared to back themselves with muscle, guns and threats. And as they usually ride around in large smelly gangs, even the cops are a bit twitchy about tackling them. Now you wanna put em all outta business? Nah, they say.

    Secondly, these addicts are never going to be content with lining up for just one or two blasts a day, a la neat little government-run scheme; if the addicts have some cash, that is... They want it all and they want it now. And if they get turned away by all you goody goody namby pambys running all this government mafia, guess what, they are gonna be still hanging around mugging, robbing, stealing whatever they can just to get another hit, just like before. So nuthin changed.

    Thirdly, as we have seen countless times in whatever country you care to name, the government is entirely incapable of running anything smoothly and efficiently. So good luck with that one as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    We are reconsidering our position. We did not say we have done a Mitt and flip-flopped... yet. At the moment in this country, there is a plague of epic proportions of meth; just like in rural America. Most of this meth seems to be produced by various outlaw bikie gangs. This drug is apparently fairly easy to mix in your own kitchen if you have the required ingredients and knowhow. Its effect on addicts is horrendous to behold, as their lives spiral deep out of control and often fuel outbreaks of serious crime. Like crack cocaine and ice, this meth is a terrible drug. It is not a natural drug like pot and peyote, and is always cooked up by totally immoral creeps in it just for their own disgusting greed. In the meth, ice and crack case, greed is not good as Gordon Gekko might say.

    Are Jim Gray and Zengrifter suggesting that meth, ice and crack should be freely available under government supervision and control? If so, that does not seem to be a good idea to say the least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Um, yeah, right. That's a nice little solution, ain't it. Firstly the Hells Angels and the other bunches of cruddy misfits that have been cooking up this shit since forever have shown time and again they don't like competition and are prepared to back themselves with muscle, guns and threats. And as they usually ride around in large smelly gangs, even the cops are a bit twitchy about tackling them. Now you wanna put em all outta business? Nah, they say.
    They and all the cartels would be like out of work whisky-runners.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Secondly, these addicts are never going to be content with lining up for just one or two blasts a day, a la neat little government-run scheme; if the addicts have some cash, that is... They want it all and they want it now. And if they get turned away by all you goody goody namby pambys running all this government mafia, guess what, they are gonna be still hanging around mugging, robbing, stealing whatever they can just to get another hit, just like before. So nuthin changed.
    Not quite. For one thing, the price will come way down. And they would not be limited to a single dose daily, more like a week's supply.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Thirdly, as we have seen countless times in whatever country you care to name, the government is entirely incapable of running anything smoothly and efficiently. So good luck with that one as well.
    I would not necessarily be federal: states regulate their achohol sellers adequately.
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    Your history seems to suggest that to date you have generally been something of an anarchist, a rebel, a non-conformist, someone who never really believed in the principle of a democratic government. Now it looks like you want to join them in promoting a new unwar on drugs. The Mob is not happy with you. Either are the Mexicans. Various other ragtag collections of criminal gangs will find this unpalatable as well. Do you realize how many extras are going to be out of work, out of business? Do you expect all those members of street gangs to gasp, get a job? Sweet Jeezus dude.

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    Anarchy works. Italy has proved it for a thousand years.
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