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    Explosive Allegation About Jesus ould Rock the Christian Faith to Its Core

    On Oct. 19, self-professed Biblical scholar Joseph Atwill is planning to make public some very flammable allegations. At a day-long symposium called “Covert Messiah” in London, England, he’s set to unveil purported evidence that Roman aristocrats manufactured Jesus Christ – a claim that, if substantiated, would devalue the core of the Christian faith.

    The only problem? Most Biblical experts disagree with the scholar’s pronouncements.

    A press release announcing the purported new evidence claims that Atwill has discovered “ancient confessions” that purportedly prove that Romans invented Jesus Christ in the first century. He has long argued that the faith system was used as a political tool to control the masses — something he says is still going on today.

    “I present my work with some ambivalence, as I do not want to directly cause Christians any harm, but this is important for our culture,” he said of the alleged debunk – one that he believes will eventually be universally accepted.

    In the release, Atwill said that governments often create “false histories and false gods” and that this is often done in an effort to secure social order.
    Rather than a theology, Atwill believes that Christianity was concocted as a government project that was used to control Roman citizens. During a time in which Jewish residents were waiting for their Messiah, he says they were a constant source of insurrection, leading the Romans to seek out an equalizing and tempering force.

    “When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare,” Atwill explains in the press release. “They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system.”
    And that’s when Jesus was allegedly created – a man who advocated peace rather than violence. Atwill contends that the Christ that billions embrace never actually existed and that he is a “fictional character.”

    He bases his theory on a study of “Wars of the Jews,” a book by Josephus, a scholar who provided insight and documentation first-century Judea. The historian contends that the prophesies of Jesus line up with Josephus’ writings about the Jewish-Roman war and are, thus, proof that “the biography of Jesus is actually constructed, tip to stern, on prior stories, but especially on the biography of a Roman Caesar.”

    “Is this the beginning of the end of Christianity?”

    “Although Christianity can be a comfort to some, it can also be very damaging and repressive, an insidious form of mind control that has led to blind acceptance of serfdom, poverty, and war throughout history,” he said. “To this day, especially in the United States, it is used to create support for war in the Middle East.”

    “These types of theories are very common outside the academic world and are usually reserved for sensationalist literature,” he said. “They are virtually non-existent in the academic world.”

    Atwill’s views are no surprise. Online articles and a book he wrote in 2005 entitled, “Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus,” all include similar themes. His view that Jesus was manufactured is well-documented. Most mainstream Bible scholars, though, don’t seem to be buying into it.

    SOURCE: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...h-to-its-core/
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    When you post stuff like this you do the Devil's work, Brother Kat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    When you post stuff like this you do the Devil's work, Brother Kat.
    Exactly right, Brother Zen; for those that believe in that primitive superstitious BS... FOR BEHOLD, this sin is exactly what Dad was talkin about to Hebrews in his gwadawful Hebrew book of Hebrew instructions for the credulous, the stupid, the superstitious, the extremely gullible and assorted other Hebrew loonies. Dad warned about Antichrists. He KNEW I was comin one day... Below I've highlighted Dad's warnings (G*D). Oh Yeah, I'm beginning to warm to this ahole Hebrew God; he is so full of it, he's a scream LOL... Here are some of his best LOLs...

    And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power.--Job 1:12 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.--Exodus 22:18

    The LORD God of Israel fought for Israel.--Joshua 10:42

    For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death.--Leviticus 20:9

    Thus saith the LORD of hosts, ... Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.--1 Samuel 15:2-3

    Him that dieth of Baasha in the city shall the dogs eat; and him that dieth of his in the fields shall the fowls of the air eat.--1 Kings 16:4

    It is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
    --1 John 2:18

    Drink thou also, and let thy foreskin be uncovered.--Habakkuk 2:16

    He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.--John 3:36
    For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.--2 John 7

    And I will cast abominable filth upon thee, and make thee vile.--Nahum 3:6

    And the man that ... will not hearken unto the priest ... that man shall die.--Deuteronomy 17:12

    At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.--Exodus 12:29

    And after all this the LORD smote him in his bowels with an incurable disease.--2 Chronicles 21:18

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    The calendar we use today marks the life of Jesus Christ as the beginning of a new chapter in Western civilisation, a new era inspired by Christ's message of love, charity, humility, peace, and justice. But established history tells us that Christianity became entangled in politics, wealth, violence, and empire because the institutional religion strayed from the moral teachings of its founder. How did it go so wrong?
    The latest in Biblical scholarship has now uncovered new evidence that provides a disturbing explanation: Christianity never strayed; Jesus Christ is a fabricated cover story for an Imperial psychological warfare operation born out of the First Jewish-Roman War in the first century.
    Far-fetched and absurd? The quality of the evidence we'll be presenting may surprise you.

    Joseph Atwill explains, "This is really important for our culture..."


    Join us for a one-day symposium that will provide a unique insight into how the ruling classes, from the Caesars of the past to the public relations firms working for governments and high finance today, have maintained power and an unending stealth class war by weaponising our own imagination against us. This is sure to engage not just students of religion and history, but also those interested in psychology, politics, and social justice.
    In attendance will be our guest speakers Joseph Atwill and Kenneth Humphreys. We are also proud to feature the European premiere of the groundbreaking documentary Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus directed by Fritz Heede.

    Joseph Atwill: "The Caesars commited a crime against consciousness. They reached into the minds of their subjects and planted false concepts to make them easier to control"



    author of "Caesar's Messiah"


    As a youth in Japan Atwill attended a Jesuit military academy, where most of his school day was spent studying Greek, Latin, and the Bible. In later years, he continued studying hundreds of books on the origins of Christianity, including the Dead Sea Scrolls. Recently he wrote a paper with Robert Eisenman on the dating of the Scrolls. Atwill's book Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus was published by Ulysses Press in 2006, becoming a best-selling work of religious history in the US in 2007. Its German translation has also achieved No. 1 Best Seller status.


    author of "Jesus Never Existed"


    Humpreys holds a Master's degree from the University of Essex in history and social sciences, a post-graduate pedagogic certificate from the University of Leicester, and a higher national certificate in business studies. He taught for many years in the UK and abroad. Religion, and in particular the claims of Christinaity, have been a life-long interest. His book Jesus Never Existed, published in 2005 by Iconoclast Press, currently ships to 30 countries. His website receives more than a million visitors a year. He is now fully occupied as a writer, radio broadcaster, and public speaker, and campaigns energetically against the tide of resurgent superstition and unreason.



    When we were first introduced to the book Caesar’s Messiah, our response to the idea that the Romans wrote the New Testament in order to control the masses of the day was equal parts belief and disbelief. The thesis made a lot of sense, and yet it seemed too outrageous in the face of the gigantic numbers of people who hold Christianity sacred and Jesus as a historic figure.

    After a three-year journey of studying this subject more deeply and becoming familiar with the works of many scholars on the origins of Christianity, we feel that the thesis has much merit and deserves to be seriously considered as a likely possibility of what actually occurred in history 2000 years ago. Though we didn’t wish to dismiss the positive teachings of Christianity, it is the history and politics of the way the religion came about that we feel are the real issue.

    The challenge then became how to approach such a scholarly and academic topic as the analysis of ancient texts, in a visual format in order to keep the attention of the audience. Thanks to the artistic cinematography of Fritz Heede and Marisa Maldonado, and the inclusion of classic paintings to illustrate scenes from the time period, we were able to avoid the pitfalls of re-enactments, which can tend to feel too concrete and forced of an interpretation of an ancient era. We were also blessed with interesting and passionate scholars who are a far cry from dry academics, being on the cutting edge of scholarship and in many instances challenging to the academic world.

    As production progressed, we couldn’t help notice the immediate relevancy of the Caesar’s Messiah thesis to the unfolding of current day political affairs. It is our hope that audiences will open up to the possibility that the history written in official books is not always actual fact, and that religion is often used as a political tool to control the populace, even to this day.

    The official trailer for Caesar's Messiah: "Christianity was invented by a little known family of Roman Caesars, the Flavians; and they left us documents to prove it."


    The origin of the Christian religion has been a subject steeped in mystery for nearly 2000 years. Who was Jesus? Is he an historical character? Who wrote the Gospels? Why are they written in Greek? Why did they have a pro-Roman and anti-semitic perspective? Why was the religion headquartered in Rome? Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus is a documentary based on the best‐selling religious studies book by Joseph Atwill.

    Atwill is one of a number of scholars today from all around the world, who are questioning the historic facts behind these mysterious origins of Christianity. When examining the actual history of this era, many of the answers provided by the Church do not hold up to rigorous scrutiny. No doubt, Christianity has done a lot of good for the world, but a lot of bad has come from its most dogmatic believers, who create wars, hatred, and other harm under the disguise of religion.

    In studying how Christianity emerged, the seven controversial Bible scholars featured in this film agree that it was used as a political tool to control the masses of the day, and is still being used this way today. For example, support for the wars in the Middle East is preached to Evangelical Christians as a way to speed up the coming of the End of Days. Maybe we need to expand the possible answers about how Christianity originated, and deeper questions need to be asked. Maybe we need to examine what political motives were behind the formation of the Christian religion?

    The documentary begins with a brief history of the political and religious climate of Judea in the first century CE – the era during which Christianity emerged. Judea was occupied by the Roman Empire, which required them to worship Caesar as a god. The Jews found this blasphemous, and they waged constant rebellions against the Empire. Their religious scriptures prophesied that a militaristic warrior Messiah would defeat the Romans and lead the Jews to liberation.

    A string of numerous Messiahs presented themselves to lead the people in war against Rome, only to be defeated and crucified – a customary Roman punishment for insurgents of the day. However, the Roman government was growing weaker from over a century of increasingly corrupt rule by the Julio‐Claudian dynasty — the last emperor of this lineage being Nero, who was bankrupting the Empire with his self‐indulgence. In their greatest victory, the messianic Jews finally succeeded in burning Rome and driving the Romans out of Judea. This caused Nero to call upon his best military men, the Flavians – Vespasian and his son Titus — to crush the rebellion for good.

    The Flavians succeeded not only in destroying the Jewish towns of Galilee and their temple in Jerusalem, but after Nero was deposed and committed suicide, they seized the throne through a military coup and took over reign of the Roman Empire itself. Under the Flavians, the Empire flourished, and many great monuments were built including the famous Coliseum. In order to pacify the Jewish rebellion, they captured and burned all the Jews’ scriptures. It is around this time that a new literature emerged with the story of a very different Jewish Messiah – one who preached “give to Caesar what is Caesar’s”, “turn the other cheek”, and “love your enemy”.

    Kenneth Humphreys on the historicity of Jesus: "[It's] a dilemma for those who believe in him. Because on the one hand he supposedly overturned the world, it turned the world upside-down and triggered off this massive movement, but on the other hand he leaves no trace in historical record."

    The second half of the documentary focuses on the documents the Flavians left behind which prove their authorship of the Gospels. The Bible scholars deconstruct the Gospels and the character Jesus, showing that they are based on archetypes found in the ancient pagan mystery schools and in earlier Jewish literature. Much of the teachings of Christianity are traced back to the writings of Philo of Alexandria — who was combining Jewish scripture with Greek pagan beliefs — and Stoicism, a philosophy promoted by the Flavians. When the Flavians seized control of the Roman Empire, they needed to legitimise their rule, so they had their Jewish court historian Josephus (originally Yosef ben Matityahu who adopted the name Titus Flavius Josephus) create a large body of work which became the only official history we have of the Jewish-Roman War.

    Bible scholar Joseph Atwill noticed many parallels between this historic account of the war and the events in the life of Jesus in the Gospels. Through his study of the ancient Greek texts and his discovery of an antiquated Hebrew literary genre, he found dozens of parallels between the Jesus story and the war history that occurred in the exact same sequence.

    This shows that the events of Jesus’ life which supposedly took place forty years earlier, were actually all dependent on the events in the military campaign of the Roman Caesar Titus Flavius. Ancient texts were much more allegorical, multi-layered and complex than today’s writing, and when you read the Gospels and the histories of Josephus side by side, a new meaning arises which reveals the authors of the Gospels to be the Roman Flavian Caesars, their co-conspirators, and their literary team.

    Along the way, the Bible scholars show how the Roman Imperial Cult — set up to worship Caesar as a god — formed the basis for the Roman Catholic Church, and that some of the Church’s first saints were members of the Flavian court. Atwill also shows how the “second coming of the Christ” referred to a historical event that already occurred. Featuring scholars Joseph Atwill, Robert Eisenman, John Hudson, Ken Humphreys, Rod Blackhirst, Acharya S / D.M. Murdock, and Timothy Freke, this ground-breaking documentary not only gives us a revolutionary new understanding of the origins of Christianity, but shows how the political use of religion is still affecting our personal lives today. We currently live on the brink of an immense paradigm shift, and this modern time is very parallel to the era in which Christianity emerged. Studying this ancient era can give us the much-needed perspective for coming up with solutions to today’s problems, so we can create the better world that we envision.

    John Hudson: "The Romans knew there would be opposition to their rule, whatever they did, so in creating the Gospels they created a, sort of, very clever counter-strategy. They co-opted the opposition by creating an opposition movement of their own."



    As the home of the Conway Hall Ethical Society, an outspoken educational charity opposed to religious dogma with a 200 year history, Conway Hall is an opportune setting for the Covert Messiah Symposium. A beautiful lecture and concert hall built in 1929 and listed as a Grade II site by English Heritage, the building is a landmark of London's independent intellectual, political, and cultural life and is considered to be the historic home of British humanism. "To Thine Own Self Be True," the creed of the Society, proudly graces the main hall above the stage, lit by skylight.
    Conway Hall is named in honour of Moncure Daniel Conway, an American clergyman and early human rights advocate and activist who came to London during the American Civil War. He was a prolific writer who published over seventy books and journals including an oft-cited biography of Thomas Paine. Beginning a career as an ordained Methodist, the faith of his wealthy Virginian slaveholding parents, Conway freed himself from many of the dogmas surrounding him and became an active abolitionist (even leading 31 of his own father's slaves on a dangerous train ride to freedom in southwestern Ohio where he established what later became known as the Conway Colony). The development of his philosophical and moral outlook was very much influenced by his mentor Ralph Waldo Emerson, which eventually changed from transcendentalism to a more secular and humanistic free thought. He counted many luminaries of the late nineteenth century as his friends, including Walt Whitman, Mark Twain, Elizabeth Caddy Stanton, Andrew Carnegie, Charles Dickens, Robert Browning, Thomas Carlyle, Charles Lyell, and Charles Darwin.

    Conway Hall
    25 Red Lion Square, London
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    By Underground - Holborn Station (Central and Piccadilly lines) is 5 minutes walk away. Chancery Lane (Central line) and Russell Square (Piccadilly line) stations are within a 10 to 15 minute walk.
    By Bus - Route 98 terminates in Red Lion Square. Routes 19, 38, 55 & 243 pass Conway Hall's back entrance on Theobalds Road. There are many other buses with routes along Holborn, Grays Inn Road or Southampton Row / Kingsway stopping within 5 minutes walk of the Hall. See the Transport for London website to plan your journey.
    By Car - Parking spaces are very few. There is no unrestricted on-street parking and only limited metered parking available in the area with charges applying until 1.30pm on the day of the Symposium. Many nearby spaces are designated for residents only.


    Saturday, 19 October 2013

    09:15 Doors open
    09:45 Introduction and Opening Remarks
    10:00 Film screening of Caesar's Messiah
    11:30 Lecture: Kenneth Humphreys
    12:15 Lunch break
    13:15 Lecture: Joseph Atwill
    13:45 Extended interviews from Caesar's Messiah
    14:30 Tea break
    14:45 Lecture: Joseph Atwill
    15:00 Speaker's Forum and Q & A
    16:00 Closing Remarks & Book Signing
    17:00 Doors close


    This symposium not only presents an exposé on Christianity whose time has come, but it is a significant case study which provides an important glimpse into how the ruling classes have kept their power for millennia. Time and again the common people are deceived into war, poverty, and obedience because their ability to reason has been crippled by false ideas, false histories, and false gods circulated by the power elite.
    The Internet Age makes events like this possible and presents us with an opportunity for a different future. Now that the average person has an unprecedented ability to access and share information instantly with like-minded people around the globe it's time for us to create a new open-source intelligence, help each other get educated, and break the spell of dogma and propaganda together.
    We hope you can join us for what is sure to be a special event.

    Tickets purchased before the 10th of October will be sent by post. After the 10th of October pre-purchased tickets must be collected at the venue on the 19th of October. Remaining tickets, if any, will be available to purchase at the door on the 19th of October (cash only please).

    SOURCE: http://www.covertmessiah.com/

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    London, October 19 2013 ... And the truth will set you free.

    (John 8:31-32 ESV) 31 So Jesus said to the Jews who had believed him, “If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

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    Emperor Constantine called more than 300 bishops to the Council of Nicea in 325AD; where a vote was taken as to which of the 80-odd books should make up the 40 of the Bible. The vote was also cast as to these 40 remaining books being called "The Word of God" of today's Bible. I wonder what role the Emperor played in the alleged Roman aristocrat conspiracy that is the subject of this thread? That's Constantine's head on the coin below...

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    Oct 19 2013, today's the day when the two scholars present evidence in London (they claim) which shows the Jesus myth was fabricated by Roman aristocrats in the first century. Seems we are about to find out why the epicenter of Christianity moved to Rome, why the Gospels were in Greek and several other burning questions about the dubious origins of that particular dubious religion.

    Meanwhile... Horus: Ancient Egyptian God
    • Horus was born on "December 25th" (winter solstice) in a manger.
    • He was of royal descent, and his mother was the "virgin Isis-Mery."
    • Horus's birth was announced by a star in the East and attended by three "wise men."
    • At age 12, he was a child teacher in the Temple, and at 30, he was baptized.
    • Horus was baptized by "Anup the Baptizer," who was decapitated.
    • The Egyptian god had 12 companions, helpers or disciples.
    • Horus performed miracles, exorcised demons and raised Osiris from the dead.
    • The god walked on water.
    • Horus was "crucified" between two "thieves."
    • He (or Osiris) was buried for three days in a tomb and resurrected.
    • Horus/Osiris was also the "Way, the Truth, the Life," "Messiah," the "Son of Man," the "Good Shepherd," the "Lamb of God," the "Word made flesh," the "Word of Truth," etc.
    • Horus's personal epithet was "Iusa," the "ever-becoming son" of the Father. He was called "Holy Child," as well as "the Anointed One," while Osiris was the KRST.
    • Horus battled with the "evil one," Set/Seth.
    • Horus was to reign for one thousand years.
    Horus enthroned before the Twelve,
    Seventh Hour of the Amduat.
    (Erik Hornung, The Ancient Egyptian Books of the Afterlife, 48)

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    You want some heresy? I'll show you some f*cking heresy, pal -

    “Jewish sects in Palestine at the time, who were waiting for a prophesied warrior Messiah, were a constant source of violent insurrection during the first century,” Atwill said. “When the Romans had exhausted conventional means of quashing rebellion, they switched to psychological warfare. They surmised that the way to stop the spread of zealous Jewish missionary activity was to create a competing belief system. That’s when the ‘peaceful’ Messiah story was invented. Instead of inspiring warfare, this Messiah urged turn-the-other-cheek pacifism and encouraged Jews to ‘give onto Caesar’ and pay their taxes to Rome.”

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