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    Ain't no bashing going on ! I call a spade a spade. It's like that McDonald's commercial.......fishy ..fishaaaa
    I smell a rat......if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a fkn duck.!! Quack quack!
    He is running that site like he is the teacher in a 3rd grade class. How many times can you review addition and subtraction?
    Nuttin against you ZG but , I don't trust you either! Lol.
    Could there be another forum in the works? Hmmmmmmmmmm

    Machinist
    So look buddy it's nothing personal, but either your the unluckiest person in the world or your stealing from me. Either way............ I WANT NO PART OF YOU!!!!!! NEVER!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    Those videos of the "bishop of blackjack" ranked high on Google search are mine I should have stated "Blackjack Forum" (<-Google link) as an example of Norm's theft of Arnold's brand in Google search. BJTF took top honors reducing Snyder's Blackjack Forum rank on Google.
    I don't see what you are referring to. Please substantiate. BJTF does not show on page-1.
    Substanstiate your claim that Norm gamed (ie, "stole") ranking deliberately from BJFO or I must call bullsh*t.
    Show me a search example that demos your allegation.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machinist View Post
    Yeah, I said it , pansy!
    Poor poor Normsky!
    No more name calling until you explain what went down at BJINFO a couple years ago that got you a short ban and had you and Normon Wattenberger flaming over here. Was it just left vs right politics? (ie, communism vs fascism) Politics wasn't allowed at BJINFO either.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    I don't see what you are referring to. Please substantiate. BJTF does not show on page-1.
    Substanstiate your claim that Norm gamed (ie, "stole") ranking deliberately from BJFO or I must call bullsh*t.
    Show me a search example that demos your allegation.
    They say a picture is worth a thousand words, here is Norm's Blackjack Forum on top of Google search. You can also see it in this Google link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    They say a picture is worth a thousand words, here is Norm's Blackjack Forum on top of Google search. You can also see it in this Google link.

    Yes, I covered that one earlier in the thread. That's NOT theft, that's just SEO, like this one where Norm accouses me, in absentia of "gaming " HIS search results. Fair enough, but no more allegation of "theft" and "stealing."


    BTW, JSTAT, if you go back and re-title/re-optomize your Bishop Sermon video - add Blackjack The Forum in the title and one or two times in the description content and add the keyword tag 'blackjack the forum' or Blackjack Forum you can still trump Norm on BOTH sermons, worth a shot.

    Recommended changes to youtube optimization (bold emphasis mine) use the older version that shows JSTAT published --

    Blackjack THE Forum |
    Bishop Arnold Snyder Sermon

    Blackjack THE Forum | Bishop of the First Church of Blackjack Arnold Snyder encourages card counters to "Give greed a chance!" Bishop Snyder published "Blackjack Forum" (1981-2003) and wrote books, "Blackbelt in Blackjack", "Blackjack Wisdom", and "The Poker Tournament Formula", in addition to publishing Blackjack Forum. Snyder is also in the Blackjack Hall of Fame. JSTAT considers Snyder his mentor and Bishop Snyder is pleased that JSTAT preserved his sermon. Blackjack Forum is the REAL Blackjack THE Forum http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    It was my observation that things were going rather smoothly on the site and that those that needed banning ended up getting it. The problem with Norm and Z seems to be mainly, but not all to do with spamming, and software abuse, manipulation,,,as to Mach, I saw nothing he posted on the site that was
    disturbing, in fact I was not aware of who the poster was until Mach told me. Jstat, I think you always got a raw deal and I am not ashamed to say so.

    As to Smith and his site, as to why he shut down, I have expressed that in the past and now I do not care, but surely he and I had a problem and he carried it to a childish level, but I now forgive him for that and move on.

    I think it best, as I said before, to understand that Norm is Norm and you must play by his rules if you want to be on his site, like it or not,,,,,,either you find positive ev in it or you do not. That is pretty much it.

    I do believe AP BJ for most players is losing it's allure, due to the casino shenanigans, and soon BJ sites will be far and few between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    As to Smith and his site BJINFO...
    Remember, you and several other notables were banned on occasion at BJINFO and even when each posted here about it, no vindictive neurotic knee-jerk reactionary arbitrary capricious egregious compounded penalty was levied at you by the admin there.

    If you look at the timeline, he increased the ban, first to a month and than to 'forever' solely because some discussion was going on here. Then he needlessly locks down the forum while publicly pretending that he's "under attack by TOR hackers" and a year behind in his primary BJ business plan because of ... moi?? And all in order to protect the members. Puhlease

    Ps - With all due respect, mi Jefe.

    Pps - Agree with below.
    If I was banned from a casino with a good game, of course I would want my friends and partners to still play!

    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    Norm is Norm and you must play by his rules if you want to be on his site, like it or not,,,,,,either you find positive ev in it or you do not. That is pretty much it. I do believe AP BJ for most players is losing it's allure, due to the casino shenanigans, and soon BJ sites will be far and few between.
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    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machinist View Post
    Ain't no bashing going on ! I call a spade a spade. It's like that McDonald's commercial.......fishy ..fishaaaa
    I smell a rat......if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a fkn duck.!! Quack quack!
    He is running that site like he is the teacher in a 3rd grade class. How many times can you review addition and subtraction?
    Nuttin against you ZG but , I don't trust you either! Lol.
    At least here you know better than to trust the PM security here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Machinist View Post
    Could there be another forum in the works? Hmmmmmmmmmm
    Instead of yet another board launch, why not recycle Michael Dalton's (no relation) BJRNET? Prime RE already built -
    He would likely open it up if we asked him nicely - http://www.bjrnet.com/board_posts.htm

    Otherwise, we can keep it to max FOUR AP forums HERE?? (5 including the PSI)
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
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    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    ... Norman 'Norm' Wattenberger - Your Humble Servant, residing at The Mote in God's Eye -
    I had to look that one up -
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mote_in_God's_Eye
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
    .....................The Zengrifter Interview (PDF) |
    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
    -----------------------------------------
    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    It was my observation that things were going rather smoothly on the site and that those that needed banning ended up getting it. The problem with Norm and Z seems to be mainly, but not all to do with spamming, and software abuse, manipulation,,,
    Pure unadulterated horsesh*t, mi Jefe (his NOT yours). zg
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Norm prides himself on his integrity, his honesty, his fairness, his striving for openness and accountability, and personal responsibility for the individual. All of these fine ideals he apparently quickly jettisoned when he finally saw and took the opportunity to ban ZG temporarily, and then permanently. His ban flew in the face of his high ideals, and IMO, ZG was treated mightily shabbily. When N took that final action it prompted some of zg's enemies who had long harbored grievances - for one reason or another - to applaud Norm's thumbs down on ZG.

    In hindsight, perhaps N shot himself in the foot by reacting so strongly to a perceived threat after being egged on by a few others... After all, Zengrifter has been around BJ boards for years and has been a solid contributor to N's forum with general acceptance and approval from most members there. He often tried to help in the right spirit, as far as I could see.

    I was disappointed with what I saw as shabby treatment handed out to someone who deserved a whole lot better in my book. ZG's permanent banning was an unexpected shock to me and many others. The reverberations continue to negatively affect Norm's site. Shabby treatment? You betcha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Norm prides himself on his integrity, his honesty, his fairness, his striving for openness and accountability, and personal responsibility for the individual. All of these fine ideals he apparently quickly jettisoned when he finally saw and took the opportunity to ban ZG temporarily, and then permanently. His ban flew in the face of his high ideals, and IMO, ZG was treated mightily shabbily. When N took that final action it prompted some of zg's enemies who had long harbored grievances - for one reason or another - to applaud Norm's thumbs down on ZG.

    In hindsight, perhaps N shot himself in the foot by reacting so strongly to a perceived threat after being egged on by a few others... After all, Zengrifter has been around BJ boards for years and has been a solid contributor to N's forum with general acceptance and approval from most members there. He often tried to help in the right spirit, as far as I could see.

    I was disappointed with what I saw as shabby treatment handed out to someone who deserved a whole lot better in my book. ZG's permanent banning was an unexpected shock to me and many others. The reverberations continue to negatively affect Norm's site. Shabby treatment? You betcha.
    Katweezel,,,,, We have a president claiming the samething, over and over and over. N and OB are 2 peas from the same pod .
    I remember a question N had once for me. " so Mac , if you don't like another persons political values you won't do business with him? My answer " why would I want to further someone's success who's values are aimed directly at the destruction of my values. Yeah that's how business works N. In fact I want your endeavors to fail completely. Your failure equals less cash for your side and more bullets for my side.
    It's my small battle in a very large war in this country now.

    Mac
    So look buddy it's nothing personal, but either your the unluckiest person in the world or your stealing from me. Either way............ I WANT NO PART OF YOU!!!!!! NEVER!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machinist View Post
    Katweezel,,,,, We have a president claiming the samething, over and over and over. N and OB are 2 peas from the same pod .
    I remember a question N had once for me. " so Mac , if you don't like another persons political values you won't do business with him? My answer " why would I want to further someone's success who's values are aimed directly at the destruction of my values. Yeah that's how business works N. In fact I want your endeavors to fail completely. Your failure equals less cash for your side and more bullets for my side.
    It's my small battle in a very large war in this country now.

    Mac
    Mach,

    There is no doubt that we are entering an era just as threatening as before the Civil War, but blame both parties and Congress for letting it happen. McCain and Graham are nearly as dangerous as Obama and Congress has shirked it's duty to Defend and Protect the Constitution of the U.S., as has Obama.

    Just look at the martial law inflicted upon Boston by one 19 year old U.S. citizen and the type of equipment worn and displayed by the police, HS, FBI, whoever was out there playing G.I. Joe. As far as I am concerned every one was scarred shitless, the populace and the cop's. ("Boston Tough"...WTF???).

    Whatever happened to the likes of John Baslone and Autie Murphy and all those other Medal Of Honor winners, Bronz star with V winners, Silver star winner's,,,,?? This country is a bunch of chicken shit babies and whinners,,,and yet they all think they are "Heroes"

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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    Mach,

    There is no doubt that we are entering an era just as threatening as before the Civil War, but blame both parties and Congress for letting it happen. McCain and Graham are nearly as dangerous as Obama and Congress has shirked it's duty to Defend and Protect the Constitution of the U.S., as has Obama.

    Just look at the martial law inflicted upon Boston by one 19 year old U.S. citizen
    Amen Brother Panther!

    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
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    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Here are the results of "blackjack the forum" on Google's 1st page of search.

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