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    Quote Originally Posted by Machinist View Post
    So enlighten me a bit more on why exactly Norm Wattenberger has been banned at some BJ sites.
    Did he viciously attack some members. I'm wondering is he a short man with that "shortman syndrome".
    I've met a few of those.
    I'm not even going to go into what automatic monkey accused him of engaging in? Maybe truer than we know?
    I can't imagine a man with a Ghandi avatar, and a signature off the wizard of oz, getting banned.

    I still can't understand my banning, I said nuttin on his site!!! Not one peep. NOID was a very peaceful dude on Normskis site. Geeze what a thin skinned puss. A little political disagreement between socialism and conservatism views.

    Again to all members of his site, be vewwy vewwy careful with your pm's.

    Come on zg, what makes Norm tick?
    Clueless at this point.

    I never followed ANY of those NUMEROUS Norm Wattenberger clashes.

    I never understood why Norman wound up fighting on any of those forums and mutual hostilities with other AP luminaries.

    It seems to me that he could always just prove himself correct with a sim, so why such hostility kept erupting around him, for decades I might add, is an enigma.

    Maybe he was doing something similar has he has now done with me: Casting baseless and slanderous aspersions and innuendo? Knowing that a certain subset of participants would simply embrace what he says as 'truth'?

    Norman Wattenberger is a BJ enigma now in my book.

    For the record - in all these years I never had a board clash with Norman, always respected Norm Wattenberger - until this last barring when I got to experience first hand the depth and breadth of his powers of rationalization and willingness to distort the reality to fit his emotional temperament and judgment.

    And yes - Admins of vBulletin CAN read PMs if they are inclined to do so.
    PMs on vB are not secure against technically adroit Admins.
    Whether Norm Wattenberger would ever read his members' PMs will likely never be known.

    See: Can Admins Read vB PMs? Here is How
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    What is this? Norman Norm Wattenberger says "Google made a mistake" say what? --

    Remember, it was not a fluke or accident that he ranks better than the 'real' blackjack forum. But now I'm the blackhat seo guy?

    Again, Norman, Google didn't make the problem, you did by incorrectly using the htaccess and 301s.
    And now the ranking is dropping because of all the duplicate content you created.

    Okay, the NOW, are we there yet?

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    After Norm's accusation of SEO blackhat going's on here on the ZenZone, I wrote a blog post about his site. Here is an excerpt...

    I did a Google search of "Blackjack Forum" and expected Arnold Snyder's site to be #1 in search. Snyder founded Blackjack Forum in 1981 as a magazine and continues today as Blackjack Forum Online. I was totally surprised that another site copied Snyder's Blackjack Forum brand to top Google search rankings. It is called 'Blackjack Forum, The Blackjack Community' administered by Norm, "Your Humble Servant". Norm states his Blackjack Forum is a friendly community where Blackjack players of all skill levels are welcome . Norm does not allow me to post there even though I am a member in good standing in other blackjack/gambling message boards. Arnold Snyder is the foremost blackjack authority in the blackjack card counting world. Snyder is in the Blackjack Hall of Fame and is my friend. I don't like it when a friend gets shafted. Snyder is also the Bishop of the First Church of Blackjack and don't think he appreciates a charlatan calling himself "Your Humble Servant" with a Gandhi avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    I did a Google search of "Blackjack Forum" and expected Arnold Snyder's site to be #1 in search. Snyder founded Blackjack Forum in 1981 as a magazine and continues today as Blackjack Forum Online. I was totally surprised that another site copied Snyder's Blackjack Forum brand to top Google search rankings. It is called 'Blackjack Forum, The Blackjack Community' administered by Norm Wattenberger....
    Yes, Norm Wattenberger used LEGAL SEO tactics (I think?) to HIJACK the rightful search ranking of Snyder's Blackjack Forum. Norms SEO-hijack of "rightful" ranking to the 'real' BJ Forum was intentional and used specific SEO practices in a focused manner to best Snyder's years-long earned Google ranking.

    The above is why Norm Wattenberger's slanderous public assertion that I was using or advocating or instigating illicit blackhat SEO tactics to "hurt" the natural search ranking of his forum was ludicrous, spiteful, unfair, unkind and fundamentally disingenuous.

    In fact, the ONLY instance I can find where one BJ site operator directed a focused SEO effort on a competitor's site is the case of Norman targeting Snyder's site and "hurting" Snyder's site ranking(s) to the benefit of his own.

    Quote Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    Norm does not allow me to post there even though I am a member in good standing in other blackjack/gambling message boards.
    Simply stated, you are a crackpot: your JStat count IS good for a few things, like certain BJ side bets, insurance, LLs, etc., but you are pushing its use into other areas where I have not yet seen credible sims. Some communities are more comfortable with crackpots - I myself am considered a crackpot as relates to my advocacy of intuition in AP.

    Quote Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    Arnold Snyder is the foremost blackjack authority in the blackjack card counting world. Snyder is in the Blackjack Hall of Fame and is my friend. I don't like it when a friend gets shafted. Snyder is also the Bishop of the First Church of Blackjack and don't think he appreciates a charlatan calling himself "Your Humble Servant" with a Gandhi avatar.
    Our Bishop is definitely one of the greats. I doubt that he can confirm or endorse the virtues of the Jstat count, though. As for him being your friend, one cannot comment - maybe I should ask Radar.

    Do not call Mr. Norman Wattenberger a charlatan ever again in this forum. He may be any number of things, but when it comes to the statistical logic and simulation of BJ he likely has no living peer on the planet, not even Our Bishop. There will not be a second warning on this one note - thank you in advance for your cooperation.
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    This thread is now on page one (albeit the bottom) for Google: Norman Wattenberger
    Not everyone will see it yet, takes time to fully propagate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SEOWEB View Post
    This thread is now on page one (albeit the bottom) for Google: Norman Wattenberger
    Not everyone will see it yet, takes time to fully propagate.
    Mostly still page 2, but I do see it climbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    After decades of computer sims, my guess is that it's pretty unlikely something new will come from the well-tried BJ math area. But there is still one relatively-unexplored and untapped area, where only the foolish and brave dare venture. This is the area that has been despised, ridiculed and banished. It flies under the heading of: VOODOO.

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    yep, for example money management is virtually treated a voodoo as far as gaining an advantage goes on Norm's site.
    just me maybe, but it a'int necessarily so. as was earlier stated in this thread, 'hey we are real people here', sort of thing.
    so ror, when calculated vis-a -v Kelly is a utility function, as such it affords an element of personal perspective and it need'nt be cast in stone what that perspective may be, hence ROR may be. but the decisions one makes with respect to utility can have implications with respect to advantage, decisions dealing with matters that have little or nothing to do with the game being analyzed. this area of thought is usually blown off as one not having the proper bankroll, or not being fit for the game, sorta thing. just me maybe, but it a'int necessarily so, nor need it be voodoo.
    best regards,
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    that's my take on it your mileage may vary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagefr0g View Post
    yep, for example money management is virtually treated a voodoo as far as gaining an advantage goes on Norm's site.
    just me maybe, but it a'int necessarily so. as was earlier stated in this thread, 'hey we are real people here', sort of thing.
    so ror, when calculated vis-a -v Kelly is a utility function, as such it affords an element of personal perspective and it need'nt be cast in stone what that perspective may be, hence ROR may be. but the decisions one makes with respect to utility can have implications with respect to advantage, decisions dealing with matters that have little or nothing to do with the game being analyzed. this area of thought is usually blown off as one not having the proper bankroll, or not being fit for the game, sorta thing. just me maybe, but it a'int necessarily so, nor need it be voodoo.

    Huh? Reading this makes me think of the AT&T commercials. You know the girl talking about wanting more cause its good and you want more. Or the girl talking about the werewolf wanting to be human again, huh?
    )))))

    Mac
    So look buddy it's nothing personal, but either your the unluckiest person in the world or your stealing from me. Either way............ I WANT NO PART OF YOU!!!!!! NEVER!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machinist View Post
    Huh? Reading this makes me think of the AT&T commercials. You know the girl talking about wanting more cause its good and you want more. Or the girl talking about the werewolf wanting to be human again, huh?
    )))))

    Mac
    that's because your a rolling in dough pro, lol, or a highrise dwelling rich as hell Manhattanite, lol, so you wouldn't ever dream a dollar had different scales of value relative to the luck of the draw far as ones position in life sorta thing.
    but, i know you have a wider spectrum of life than that, lol.
    consider if you will, what you explained to me about how a short banked uxp hustler might change up his bet, relative to a fully banked hustler. so all i'm saying is the same thing, only, that it doesn't just have to be bankroll size but could be other fiscally related matters or even spiritual matters.
    best regards,
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    that's my take on it your mileage may vary.
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    Truly the wisest frog sittin on the best lillypad in the pond of life.

    Mac
    So look buddy it's nothing personal, but either your the unluckiest person in the world or your stealing from me. Either way............ I WANT NO PART OF YOU!!!!!! NEVER!!!!

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    Is Norman Wattenberger going to have a big issue with Google now, since they don't apparently respect old 20th century copyright basics? Google's a bigger crook than Kim Dotcom on copyright theft. Right? -- Google And The World Brain - VIDEO

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    Is Norman Wattenberger going to have a big issue with Google now, since they don't apparently respect old 20th century copyright basics? Google's a bigger crook than Kim Dotcom on copyright theft. Right? -- Google And The World Brain - VIDEO
    Exactly! LOL!
    No more Google for you Herr Professor Wattenberger!

    See previous Norm Wattenberger "ZG violation" / Kim Dotcom mega-crook and uber digital Scoundrel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Machinist View Post
    Truly the wisest frog sittin on the best lillypad in the pond of life.

    Mac
    Frogs see and know...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Do not [EVER] call Mr. Norman Wattenberger a charlatan .... He may be any number of things, but when it comes to the statistical logic and simulation of BJ he likely has no living peer on the planet, not even Our esteemed Bishop.
    This central FACT cannot be overstated!
    I love you Norman! Cognitive dissonance and all - I KNOW WHO you are... you you de facto BJ Hall of Famer, you! zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Frogs see and know...

    Our Brother Sage is not some suck-squishy-toed tree frog -
    -- he is a lilypad sittin pretty annunaki.

    Never misunderestimate Da Frog!
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    Here He is... on his lillypad...

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