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    Televangelist Pat Robertson recently made a gaffe. A gaffe, as journalist Michael Kinsley defined it, occurs when a political figure accidentally tells the truth. Robertson's truth is that America's drug war has failed and that the country should legalize marijuana. This view goes against the deepest political, moral and religious positions Robertson has held for decades, so imagine the blinding evidence that he has had to confront--and that has been mounting for years--on this topic.

    Robertson drew attention to one of the great scandals of American life. "Mass incarceration on a scale almost unexampled in human history is a fundamental fact of our country today," writes the New Yorker's Adam Gopnik. "Over all, there are now more people under 'correctional supervision' in America--more than 6 million--than were in the Gulag Archipelago under Stalin at its height."

    Is this hyperbole? Here are the facts. The U.S. has 760 prisoners per 100,000 citizens. That's not just many more than in most other developed countries but seven to 10 times as many. Japan has 63 per 100,000, Germany has 90, France has 96, South Korea has 97, and Britain--with a rate among the highest--has 153. Even developing countries that are well known for their crime problems have a third of U.S. numbers. Mexico has 208 prisoners per 100,000 citizens, and Brazil has 242. As Robertson pointed out on his TV show, The 700 Club, "We here in America make up 5% of the world's population but we make up 25% of the [world's] jailed prisoners."

    There is a temptation to look at this staggering difference in numbers and chalk it up to one more aspect of American exceptionalism. America is different, so the view goes, and it has always had a Wild West culture and a tough legal system. But the facts don't support the conventional wisdom. This wide gap between the U.S. and the rest of the world is relatively recent. In 1980 the U.S.'s prison population was about 150 per 100,000 adults. It has more than quadrupled since then.

    So something has happened in the past 30 years to push millions of Americans into prison.

    That something, of course, is the war on drugs. Drug convictions went from 15 inmates per 100,000 adults in 1980 to 148 in 1996, an almost tenfold increase. More than half of America's federal inmates today are in prison on drug convictions. In 2009 alone, 1.66 million Americans were arrested on drug charges, more than were arrested on assault or larceny charges. And 4 of 5 of those arrests were simply for possession.
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    I am surprised. I would have thought drugs would have surrendered by now. seriously though making something harder to get seems to make people want it more and drives the price up. This makes for higher profit margins drawing more people into the business end of supplying drugs, especially in a jobless economy. When the stakes get high the length someone will go to protect it goes up as well. Either they didn't think this war through or their objective is not what they state.

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    Drugs destroy people and society, and people destroy people, we are all shits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    Drugs destroy people and society
    Drugs don't destroy people and society... but ILLEGAL CRIMINALIZED drugs allow powerful people to destroy society.
    Taking drugs is a natural expression of man's urge towards self-transcendence.
    Damage caused to people and society by drugs is dwarfed by damage caused by DRUG LAWS. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Drugs don't destroy people and society... but ILLEGAL CRIMINALIZED drugs allow powerful people to destroy society. Taking drugs is a natural expression of man's urge towards self-transcendence. Damage caused to people and society by drugs is dwarfed by damage caused by DRUG LAWS. zg
    SIX million in prison, mostly for possession of illegal drugs... That's six million people who can never hope to get a decent 'official' job because of a drug conviction. Which means the vast majority are condemned to stay in a life of crime and prison, for their foreseeable future. And so the problem feeds on itself, hence more and more prisons, more cops, more legal machinery. And so it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Taking drugs is a natural expression of man's urge towards self-transcendence.
    Taking drugs is an expression of man's stupidity.

    But, yes, it is natural.

    Why? Man senses something is not right. He wants to feel right. He wrongly believes that this condition can be corrected by ingesting various chemicals. Wrong! This often leads to chemical dependence. If he feels better it is in the context of fleeing from reality, not fixing reality. He may also screw up his nervous system, brain, liver, etc. in the process. The fact is, we feel things are not right because they aren't right. Since the fall of man, things have not been right. Things will never be perpetually right in this life. As you said before, ZG, suffering is grace. Acceptance of suffering as an inescapable part of this life is a step in the right direction. The Master said, take up your cross and follow me. The way back to the kingdom is painful, but pain is inescapable, and since pain is inescapable anyway, acceptance of it is wisdom. What Christians mean by "dying to the world" is that they have stopped looking for the answer in anything the world has to offer. Drugs, money, pleasure, fame, material possessions, power, etc. are not the answer and do not lead to happiness.
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    Default The War on Drugs with John Stossel 6of6 Hard Drugs, Legalization in the US

    Maybe, he's right. It seems to make a lot of sense. What is the right thing to do? Even if we legalized drugs, wouldn't we have to continue making them illegal for children, just as we do alcohol.

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    Default Prohibition and Abe Lincoln

    Honest Abe says -


    "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."


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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    Honest Abe says -


    "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."


    Abraham Lincoln (1809-65), U.S. President.
    Speech, 18 Dec. 1840, to Illinois House of Representatives
    Funny how the same people who decry the prohibition of drugs are quick to support the prohibition of handguns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Even if we legalized drugs, wouldn't we have to continue making them illegal for children, just as we do alcohol?
    Yes, but there may be exceptions --

    American Indian Wants Son to Use Peyote
    Man wants his 4-year-old son to use hallucinogenic plant during spiritual ceremonies.

    Also, increasingly children are benefiting from real and natural medicine --


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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    Yes, but there may be exceptions --

    American Indian Wants Son to Use Peyote
    Man wants his 4-year-old son to use hallucinogenic plant during spiritual ceremonies.

    Also, increasingly children are benefiting from real and natural medicine --

    Is there a problem with that on the reservation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Is there a problem with that on the reservation?
    No, its STRICTLY their awe-inspiring sacramental Eucharist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Tthree View Post
    I am surprised. I would have thought drugs would have surrendered by now. seriously though making something harder to get seems to make people want it more and drives the price up. This makes for higher profit margins drawing more people into the business end of supplying drugs, especially in a jobless economy. When the stakes get high the length someone will go to protect it goes up as well. Either they didn't think this war through or their objective is not what they state.
    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    Drugs destroy people and society, and people destroy people, we are all shits!
    Taking drugs is a natural urge toward self-transcendence.
    "There are no bad drugs, only bad relationships with drugs." - Andrew Weil MD / The Natural Mind
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Taking drugs is a natural urge toward self-transcendence.
    "There are no bad drugs, only bad relationships with drugs." - Andrew Weil MD / The Natural Mind
    He then stated: "And all the relationships with drugs are bad!"
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