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    Department of Homeland Security buying up enough
    ammo to wage seven-year war against the American people


    (NaturalNews) As we recently reported, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), an agency that says its main purpose now is to thwart "homegrown terrorism," has awarded a contract to ammunition manufacturer ATK for acquiring 450 million rounds of .40 caliber hollow point ammo. You can view the announcement of the ammunition purchase at this press release: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/atk...-ammunition-co...

    Our initial coverage of the story is at:
    http://www.naturalnews.com/035607_go...ts_Martial_Law....

    Many NaturalNews readers may not know this, but "hollow point" ammunition is never purchased for practice or training. This ammunition is purchased for the sole purpose of being used in active fighting. At the same time, it is a violation of the Geneva Convention to use hollow point ammunition on the battle field.

    This is crucial to understand. It means the occupying federal government is acquiring this ammunition to be used against the American people. Furthermore, DHS does not fight wars overseas. It is a domestic agency with domestic responsibilities. Its purchase of .40 ammunition is a clear and obvious indication that DHS plans to wage war on the American people.

    How big of a war? Here's where this investigation gets really interesting.

    A seven-year war with America
    How much ammunition is 450 million rounds, exactly? To answer that question, I searched the internet for testimony from U.S. military brass who might give us a glimpse into the number of rounds fired in an active war.

    This information was remarkably difficult to find, but I eventually located testimony by Maj. Gen. Buford C. Blount III, given in 2004 before the Tactical Air and Land Forces Subcommittee of the Committee on Armed Services of the House of Representatives. You can read this testimony yourself at this government website:
    http://commdocs.house.gov/committees....000/has176250...

    This testimony reveals that:

    • In active battle operations in Iraq, ammunition is expended at the rate of 5.5 million rounds per month.

    That's 66 million rounds in a year. The General's testimony states that the "past year" in Iraq "resulted in the expenditure of 72 million rounds," which isn't too far off from 66 million. I'll use 70 million as a rough figure for annual ammo usage in an active war zone.

    Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035649_DH...#ixzz1soz1OTIz
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    Hollow point bullets are designed to expend most or all their energy on the first thing they hit. For urban areas a military round fired into a crowd might go through several people likely only wounding all of them but a hollow point will really mess up whoever it hits first and likely only that person. Hollow points are more designed to kill and jacket ammo to wound. Aside from the Geneva Convention and from a military perspective it is more of a liability for your enemy to care for a wounded soldier than have one of their soldiers killed. Why do you think most assault weapons are 22 caliber (.223)? There are guys running around with big guns but most have these "pea shooters".

    Another likely scenario. An ammunition company lobbied to sell ammunition. It got payed off politicians or other government authorities to buy 450 million rounds that will never be fired. The beauty of this they still have to buy their regular target and field rounds that do get fired.

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    Yes, likely a corruption scam, but such things typically evolve into increasing oppression and loss of liberty.
    Look at the growth of US prisons, the drug war, the TSA, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    Yes, likely a corruption scam, but such things typically evolve into increasing oppression and loss of liberty.
    Look at the growth of US prisons, the drug war, the TSA, etc.
    A simplistic way of looking at it, don't you think? There are many contributing factors to the growth of US prisons, the drug war and the TSA.

    On the drug war, just because we are losing it, does not mean that we should give it up of that it is not a righteous war. Whether we should be fighting it in the first place is complicated. While I like John Stossel's logic for legalizing drugs, there will still be a youth market for these drugs. I am not willing to legalize drugs for minors; that is going too far IMO. So there we go again-- the war will shift to youth drugs, so how does that solve the problem?

    Also, the war on drugs at least takes them out of public view to a large degree. For many non-users, out of sight is out of mind, and that probably accounts for some reduction in what would otherwise be used. I remember in Europe in the mid 60's in a place where drugs were legal that I walked through an area that was literally littered with used needles strewn about everywhere. That did not seem to me to be a desirable result of legalization.

    On the TSA, I am glad that the government is doing something to try to reduce the potential for terrorism. With the revelation about this new underwear bomber, and more of them in the wings, I feel a little unsure about my travel plans, although I don't want to be one who acts from fear and lets the terrorists achieve one of their purposes, and that is to create an atmosphere of fear. Maybe the TSA would catch a perpetrator, maybe they wouldn't, either way I feel better that they are trying. If inept or misguided, let us improve their effectiveness, not eliminated them.

    On prisons, the laws need to change. Too many individuals are arrested and jailed for crimes like drug use. This is a wrong way to wage war on drugs. They need to go after the producers and sellers, not the users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    On prisons, the laws need to change. Too many individuals are arrested and jailed for crimes like drug use. This is a wrong way to wage war on drugs. They need to go after the producers and sellers, not the users.
    As long as drugs remain illegal, the huge profit (by design) will attract organized crime.
    Decriminalize drugs, like Portugal did 12 years ago and the profit potential is removed.*

    * 12 years later, drug use is DOWN.
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