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    From Beyond Belief by James McDonald page 66. " ... These and many other discrepancies between manuscripts are confirmed in the NIV, which mentions them in footnotes.

    Finally, hard scientific evidence exists of alterations. Infrared photography has revealed numerous examples of the text being changed after it had first been set down. Including simple corrections, there are about 14,500 such changes in the Codex Sinaiticus alone. This is not untypical. And it is therefore not surprising that of the thousands of Greek manuscripts that have survived, no two are identical.

    The oldest texts of the gospels date from the fourth century. Christians had already had over 200 years to doctor them and there is currently no way of establishing all the additions, deletions and amendments made.

    Whatever the original writers set down, probably toward the end of the first century, is irretrievable. What we do have is encrusted with additions made to make Jesus, his birth life and death more impressive. All that can be said for certain is that we do not possess a single reliable version of any book of the New Testament."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    NON-CHRISTIAN SOURCES
    Virtually all other claims of Jesus come from sources outside of Christian writings. Devastating to the claims of Christians, however, comes from the fact that all of these accounts come from authors who lived after the alleged life of Jesus. Since they did not live during the time of the hypothetical Jesus, none of their accounts serve as eyewitness evidence.


    Josephus Flavius, the Jewish historian, lived as the earliest non-Christian who mentions a Jesus. Although many scholars think that Josephus' short accounts of Jesus (inAntiquities) came from interpolations perpetrated by a later Church father (most likely, Eusebius), Josephus' birth in 37 C.E. (well after the alleged crucifixion of Jesus), puts him out of range of an eyewitness account. Moreover, he wrote Antiquities in 93 C.E., after the first gospels got written! Therefore, even if his accounts about Jesus came from his hand, his information could only serve as hearsay.


    Pliny the Younger (born: 62 C.E.) His letter about the Christians only shows that he got his information from Christian believers themselves. Regardless, his birth date puts him out of range as an eyewitness account.


    Tacitus, the Roman historian's birth year at 64 C.E., puts him well after the alleged life of Jesus. He gives a brief mention of a "Christus" in his Annals (Book XV, Sec. 44), which he wrote around 109 C.E. He gives no source for his material. Although many have disputed the authenticity of Tacitus' mention of Jesus, the very fact that his birth happened after the alleged Jesus and wrote the Annals during the formation of Christianity, shows that his writing can only provide us with hearsay accounts.


    Suetonius, a Roman historian, born in 69 C.E., mentions a "Chrestus," a common name. Apologists assume that "Chrestus" means "Christ" (a disputable claim). But even if Seutonius had meant "Christ," it still says nothing about an earthly Jesus. Just like all the others, Suetonius' birth occurred well after the purported Jesus. Again, only hearsay.


    Talmud: Amazingly some Christians use brief portions of the Talmud, (a collection of Jewish civil a religious law, including commentaries on the Torah), as evidence for Jesus. They claim that Yeshu in the Talmud refers to Jesus. However, this Yeshu, according to scholars depicts a disciple of Jehoshua Ben-Perachia at least a century before the alleged Christian Jesus or it may refer to Yeshu ben Pandera, a teacher of the 2nd centuy CE.

    Regardless of how one interprets this, the Palestinian Talmud didn't come into existence until the 3rd and 5th century C.E., and the Babylonian Talmud between the 3rd and 6th century C.E., at least two centuries after the alleged crucifixion. At best it can only serve as a controversial Christian or Jewish legend; it cannot possibly serve as evidence for a historical Jesus.


    Christian apologists mostly use the above sources for their "evidence" of Jesus because they believe they represent the best outside sources. All other sources (Christian and non-Christian) come from even less reliable sources, some of which include: Mara Bar-Serapion (circa 73 C.E.), Ignatius (50 - 98? C.E.), Polycarp (69 - 155 C.E.), Clement of Rome (? - circa 160 C.E.), Justin Martyr (100 - 165 C.E.), Lucian (circa 125 - 180 C.E.), Tertullian (160 - ? C.E.), Clement of Alexandria (? - 215 C.E.), Origen (185 - 232 C.E.), Hippolytus (? - 236 C.E.), and Cyprian (? - 254 C.E.).

    As you can see, all these people lived well after the alleged death of Jesus. Not one of them provides an eyewitness account, all of them simply spout hearsay.


    As you can see, apologist Christians embarrass themselves when they unwittingly or deceptively violate the rules of historiography by using after-the-event writings as evidence for the event itself. Not one of these writers gives a source or backs up his claims with evidential material about Jesus.

    Although we can provide numerous reasons why the Christian and non-Christian sources prove spurious, and argue endlessly about them, we can cut to the chase by simply determining the dates of the documents and the birth dates of the authors. It doesn't matter what these people wrote about Jesus, an author who writes after the alleged happening and gives no detectable sources for his material can only give example of hearsay.

    All of these anachronistic writings about Jesus could easily have come from the beliefs and stories from Christian believers themselves. And as we know from myth, superstition, and faith, beliefs do not require facts or evidence for their propagation and circulation. Thus we have only beliefs about Jesus' existence, and nothing more.

    SOURCE:
    http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

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    The "Zionist movement" comes straight from the Old Testament. “When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are to possess and casts out the many peoples living there, you shall then slaughter them all and utterly destroy them…You shall save nothing alive that breathes…You shall make no agreements with them nor show them any mercy. You shall destroy their altars, break down their images, cut down their groves and burn their graven images with fire. For you are a holy people unto the LORD thy God and He has chosen you to be a special people above all others upon the face of the earth…”
    Book of Deuteronomy

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    Last edited by Katz; November 20th, 2016 at 02:41 AM.

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    Well then, I guess that just about covers it. "Every other knowledge is impotent." LOL

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    Pope Francis gives all priests permission to forgive the ‘grave sin’ of abortion

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11/21/pope-francis-gives-all-priests-permission-to-forgive-the-sin-of-abortion/

    HOW ABOUT THE EVEN GRAVER SIN OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE BY YOUR ARMY OF PEDO PRIESTS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Pope Francis gives all priests permission to forgive the ‘grave sin’ of abortion

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/11/21/pope-francis-gives-all-priests-permission-to-forgive-the-sin-of-abortion/

    HOW ABOUT THE EVEN GRAVER SIN OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE BY YOUR ARMY OF PEDO PRIESTS?
    Because they are actually crypto-jews. All male babies born in a Croppie hospital are circumcised - destroying their sex lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Svengarlicky View Post
    Because they are actually crypto-jews. All male babies born in a Croppie hospital are circumcised - destroying their sex lives.

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    Last edited by Katz; November 24th, 2016 at 01:16 AM.

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