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    Irish Catholics Reject Church’s Teachings on Sex One third of Irish Catholics may attend mass every week, one of the highest numbers in Europe, but they strongly disagree with the Church’s teachings on sex. Commissioned by the Association of Catholic Priests, the Contemporary Catholic Perspectives survey was carried out among 1,000 Catholics throughout the island of Ireland over a two-week period in February.

    It found that 75% thought that what the Church had to say on sexuality had “no relevance.” 87% said that they believed that priests should be allowed to marry, 77% believed there should be women priests and 72% believed that older married men should be allowed to become priests. 61% disagreed with the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. Less than a fifth thought that homosexuality is immoral.

    Divorced and/or separated people in a second stable relationship should be allowed to take Communion, according to 87%, with just 5% saying they should not. According to the United Nation’s 2010 Human Development Index, Ireland has the world’s largest percentage of married women under 49 using contraception. A survey carried out in 2008 showed that 84% of Irish people supported civil marriage or civil partnerships for gay and lesbian couples, with 58% supporting full marriage rights in registry offices. The Catholic priests’ association is regarded as ‘liberal’ and one of its leaders, Fr Tony Flannery, is being disciplined by Rome by being sent to a monastery where he might “pray and reflect” on his liberal views and his role with the association as well as being blocked from either writing or talking to the media.

    Flannery’s association described the Vatican’s move against him as “an extremely ill-advised intervention in the present pastoral context in Ireland.” The move against Flannery is being seen in the context of the recent slamming by the Pope of a call to disobedience by Austrian priests and laity on celibacy and women priests. The Vatican’s actions have been “designed to create a climate of fear among liberal clerics,” critics charge. One of the Catholic priests’ association’s other leaders, Fr Brendan Hoban, told the BBC that the numbers the survey found were “startling” but reflected Irish priest’s experience.

    “We had the feeling all along that the way lay Catholics were being presented – as a very traditional, a very conservative group of people who weren’t open to change and were happy with the way things were and – we felt anedotally from our own experience in parishes around the country that that wasn’t the case.” “The perception that Rome has of the Church in Ireland is very different from the perception on the ground,” Fr Hoban said. 84% of Irish people describe themselves as Catholic. In an Editorial, the Irish Times said that the Church had suffered a loss of authority “caused by sex abuse scandals and extensive cover-ups, along with the emphasis placed on personal conscience by Vatican II.” “Rome may not be listening to the views of ordinary Irish Catholics. But there is nothing new in that,” the Times said.

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    Pope Says American Nuns Too Focused On Poor, Not Enough On Gay Bashing



    The Vatican has turned its fury toward the nation’s largest and most influential group of Catholic nuns accusing them of promoting “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith” for questioning the church’s stance on homosexuality and male-only priesthood.

    The group was also punished for focusing too much on poverty and economic justice while keeping “silent” on abortion and same-sex marriage.
    The New York Times reports that the Vatican has appointed an American bishop to “rein in” the Leadership Conference of Women Religious. The sisters were also reprimanded for making public statements disagreeing with the bishops over their attacks on health care reform.

    The conference is an umbrella organization of women’s religious communities with approximately 1500 members who represent 80 percent of the Catholic sisters in the United States. It was formed in 1956 at the Vatican’s request and answers directly to the Vatican.
    News of the reprimand took the sisters by surprised. Sister Simone Campbell, executive director of Network, a Catholic social justice lobby stood strong and insisted the nuns were doing nothing wrong. “I would imagine that it was our health care letter that made them mad,” Sister Campbell said. “We haven’t violated any teaching, we have just been raising questions and interpreting politics.”

    Because the nuns had the audacity to challenge Pope Benedict XVI and the bishops they will now be required to pre-clear any speakers or information supplied to the public. It’s part of an ongoing inquisition launched by the Pope into the activities of American nuns and religious communities making it crystal clear that the leadership of the Catholic church believes its faith has no place for women of independent minds.

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    They can't forgive as the bible teaches the homosexuals for their sin but everyone else's sin they can even murderers. Then they cover up for homosexual child molesters in their own ranks. Judgements like this are for God not any man. We all sin and need forgiveness. As Christ's perfect prayer (The Lord's Prayer) teaches forgive me in the same manner I forgive others. That is the most you can expect. Most people seem to be expecting more. Hopefully for them God will grant them grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Irish Catholics Reject Church’s Teachings on Sex 79 comments One third of Irish Catholics may attend mass every week, one of the highest numbers in Europe, but they strongly disagree with the Church’s teachings on sex. Commissioned by the Association of Catholic Priests, the Contemporary Catholic Perspectives survey was carried out among 1,000 Catholics throughout the island of Ireland over a two-week period in February.

    It found that 75% thought that what the Church had to say on sexuality had “no relevance.” 87% said that they believed that priests should be allowed to marry, 77% believed there should be women priests and 72% believed that older married men should be allowed to become priests. 61% disagreed with the Church’s teaching on homosexuality. Less than a fifth thought that homosexuality is immoral.

    Divorced and/or separated people in a second stable relationship should be allowed to take Communion, according to 87%, with just 5% saying they should not. According to the United Nation’s 2010 Human Development Index, Ireland has the world’s largest percentage of married women under 49 using contraception. A survey carried out in 2008 showed that 84% of Irish people supported civil marriage or civil partnerships for gay and lesbian couples, with 58% supporting full marriage rights in registry offices. The Catholic priests’ association is regarded as ‘liberal’ and one of its leaders, Fr Tony Flannery, is being disciplined by Rome by being sent to a monastery where he might “pray and reflect” on his liberal views and his role with the association as well as being blocked from either writing or talking to the media.

    Flannery’s association described the Vatican’s move against him as “an extremely ill-advised intervention in the present pastoral context in Ireland.” The move against Flannery is being seen in the context of the recent slamming by the Pope of a call to disobedience by Austrian priests and laity on celibacy and women priests. The Vatican’s actions have been “designed to create a climate of fear among liberal clerics,” critics charge. One of the Catholic priests’ association’s other leaders, Fr Brendan Hoban, told the BBC that the numbers the survey found were “startling” but reflected Irish priest’s experience.

    “We had the feeling all along that the way lay Catholics were being presented – as a very traditional, a very conservative group of people who weren’t open to change and were happy with the way things were and – we felt anedotally from our own experience in parishes around the country that that wasn’t the case.” “The perception that Rome has of the Church in Ireland is very different from the perception on the ground,” Fr Hoban said. 84% of Irish people describe themselves as Catholic. In an Editorial, the Irish Times said that the Church had suffered a loss of authority “caused by sex abuse scandals and extensive cover-ups, along with the emphasis placed on personal conscience by Vatican II.” “Rome may not be listening to the views of ordinary Irish Catholics. But there is nothing new in that,” the Times said.

    Related stories: Catholics Fight Church’s Victims – Again The Catholic Church’s Intolerance For Gay Rights Could Monty Python’s “The Life of Brian” Be Made Today? Read more: catholic church, contraception, ireland, lgbt, religion, sex

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    Most Catholics do not have a clue what it really means to be Catholic, to be a follower of Christ. Catholicism is not a populist movement. It matters not that 99.9% disagree with Church teaching, since the role of the Church is not to adapt to the times, but to be true to the original message of Christ. Relativism has no place. Public opinion has no place. Numbers have no place. The way of the world is antithetical to Christianity.

    Christians are invited to take up their cross and follow the Master. Where is he going? Calvary. Humiliation. Poverty. Suffering. This is not the Christianity that people want to embrace. But this is precisely the Christianity that Jesus taught and lived.

    The beatitudes.
    Blessed are the poor in spirit. WTH? Who wants to be poor in spirit?
    Blessed are they that mourn. What? That's the last thing I want to do.
    Blessed are the meek. Yeah, that and two dollars will get you a cup of coffee.
    Blessed are they who hunger an thirst after righteousness. Really? Give me money and power.
    Blessed are the merciful. WTH? Who has time for this stuff? People get what they deserve. Let them get a job. Oh, okay, some people have it bad through no fault of their own, but I have a life to live, so let them increase my taxes a little and the government can take care of the poor.
    Blessed are the pure of heart. Are you kidding? Whose heart is pure? You have to be quick and smart in this world, or you'll never get anywhere. This goody goody stuff is for fairy tales.
    Blessed are the peacemakers. Right! My 44 Magnum, now there's a peacemaker!
    Blessed are they who suffer persecution for the sake of righteousness. You can't be serious! Persecution is the last thing I'm looking for.

    Yeah, Jesus taught all that stuff. Maybe that's why Ghandi said, "In my humble opinion, what passes as Christianity is a negation of the Sermon on the Mount ... I am speaking of the Christian belief, of Christianity as it is understood in the west."

    He also said, "I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."

    Christianity is about the Jesus. Jesus is about his journey to the Cross. The Cross is about humiliation, poverty, and suffering. None of these appeals much to the average Christian. You might say that Christianity doesn't appeal much to Christians. And that's the god-awful truth. Or am I wrong?
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    Down with this sort of thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Down with this sort of thing.
    It's been tried before, but no one has ever succeeded in destroying the church of Christ. I'm not saying this to challenge you, but just to point out that simple fact. The Church will be around until the end of time.

    You are caught in a dilemma. The Church always grows in times of persecution. You hate it (or at least you sound to me like you do), so its hard for you not to assail it, which only makes it stronger. Is that what you want to do? Make it stronger?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    It's been tried before, but no one has ever succeeded in destroying the church of Christ. I'm not saying this to challenge you, but just to point out that simple fact. The Church will be around until the end of time.

    You are caught in a dilemma. The Church always grows in times of persecution. You hate it (or at least you sound to me like you do), so its hard for you not to assail it, which only makes it stronger. Is that what you want to do? Make it stronger?

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    You're becoming repetitious. At a loss for words? Ahh! I can feel the church growing stronger if only from the picture you could not help yourself from displaying. "One picture worth thousand words!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Tthree View Post
    They can't forgive as the bible teaches the homosexuals for their sin but everyone else's sin they can even murderers. Then they cover up for homosexual child molesters in their own ranks. Judgements like this are for God not any man. We all sin and need forgiveness. As Christ's perfect prayer (The Lord's Prayer) teaches forgive me in the same manner I forgive others. That is the most you can expect. Most people seem to be expecting more. Hopefully for them God will grant them grace.
    Dear Lady Tthree, may your Yahweh forgive your sins... if you have any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Dear Lady Tthree aka Shred, may your Yahweh forgive your sins... if you have any.
    I don't know what she is ranting about, but the Church does forgive homosexuals for their sins, if that's what he's talking about, but it also wants their members to turn away from sin to the best of their ability. I didn't know he disliked Catholics, too, if that is the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    I don't know what she is ranting about, but the Church does forgive homosexuals for their sins, if that's what he's talking about, but it also wants their members to turn away from sin to the best of their ability. I didn't know he disliked Catholics, too, if that is the case.
    That is the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    That is the case.
    A friend of yours?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    A friend of yours?
    I never did hate Catholics. You're a Catholic and I love you. You are not your church nor its dogma.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    I never did hate Catholics. You're a Catholic and I love you. You are not your church nor its dogma.
    But I love my Church and its dogma!
    Aslan 11/1/90 - 6/15/10 Stormy 1/22/95 -8/23/10
    “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church,
    but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
    Bishop Fulton J. Sheen

    “It takes a very long time to become young.” Pablo Picasso

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