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    Now you did it CP - he's not coming back - so YOU are obligated to post double-time around here ... mach schnell! zg
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    Actually I meant K. Smith, not Norm.

    I will not jump on Norm anymore than JSTAT or you or AM etc. Norm is not mean spirited, very few here, or on the old site were, IMHO. But at the end of the old site a few posters posted the worst posts and the most damaging I have ever seen, real stupid, rotten, egotistical MOFU's.

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    Forsooth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by QFIT View Post
    Just stopped by to wish everyone a profitable 2012.
    Try to stop by more often, always welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QFIT View Post
    Just stopped by to wish everyone a profitable 2012.
    Thanks for dropping by... But hey, where were you in 2013?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    NOTICE ADDED: 3/5/2015:
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    Just a friendly reminder bump.
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    Reminder.............friendly or not...........obviously ignored. Or unseen? What else is new?

    Free speech IS protected. Obscene speech (though what exactly IS the definition of Obscene speech has changed over time/history) IS NOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MJOK View Post
    Reminder.............friendly or not...........obviously ignored. Or unseen? What else is new?

    Free speech IS protected. Obscene speech (though what exactly IS the definition of Obscene speech has changed over time/history) IS NOT.
    Right. As adults, we know intuitively what is obscene and what is not. There is a line that should not be crossed. Name-calling is juvenile and is the last resort of the unreasonable... even tho it may not be obscene and sometimes funny.

    But when obscenity and insults are expressed and tolerated, that lowers the integrity of the site and reflects on all. That was one good rule that N0rm enforced, and it worked well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Right. As adults, we know intuitively what is obscene and what is not. There is a line that should not be crossed. Name-calling is juvenile and is the last resort of the unreasonable... even tho it may not be obscene and sometimes funny.

    But when obscenity and insults are expressed and tolerated, that lowers the integrity of the site and reflects on all. That was one good rule that N0rm enforced, and it worked well.
    Say what you want about racial slurs, constant trolling or swearing, and Holocaust-denial, I don't think any of those fit the definition of obscenity, at least outside the view of children. Creepy Panther's latest removed post certainly qualified as obscene. He's one of those deranged people who shouts fire in a crowded theater.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz View Post
    Say what you want about racial slurs, constant trolling or swearing, and Holocaust-denial, I don't think any of those fit the definition of obscenity, at least outside the view of children. Creepy Panther's latest removed post certainly qualified as obscene. He's one of those deranged people who shouts fire in a crowded theater.
    Occasionally you are correct. Holocaust-denial is most certainly not obscene, in fact it is sane and honest to question fraudulent narratives like that one. But that kind of honesty escapes you. Racial slurs are obscene and demonstrate ugly racism in those who utter, even in jest, charged words like nigger. You seem to take a perverse delight in that. I hesitate to ask exactly what you consider obscene... considering the vast amount of obscenity you have already expressed in your short time here.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    in fact it is sane and honest to question fraudulent narratives like that one.
    I said it was not obscene. It is not sane or honest. If you don't believe me -- just look it up. Use a history book this time. Honestly, Katz, I don't know why you always seem to want me to explain myself on this issue. It's self-explanatory. You don't believe what almost everyone else does. No crime in that; the only issue I really had was the spam. But for God Sake, quit trying to indoctrinate me unless you can first acquire a PhD in European History, a professorship at Yale, and write a few books supporting your thesis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    Racial slurs are obscene
    Racial slurs are absolutely not obscene. Is Huckleberry Finn obscene? Are movies using the word nigger obscene? Is spreading Ku Klux Klan paraphernalia obscene? Was your above post obscene? Obscenity usually refers to something sexual. But to expand the definition a bit towards colloquial use, it refers to something banned. Certainly racial slurs are not banned in the United States. Yes, I know you are at least claiming not to like them. I don't like Holocaust-denial. The only difference you've made clear is your taste for one dirty thing over another.

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    demonstrate ugly racism in those who utter, even in jest, charged words like nigger.
    If you say so. I disagree because I used it solely to cause a negative emotional reaction in response to trolling -- it's almost a magic word -- but I don't think your perception of me has any relevance. Unlike you, I don't really think there's much merit in defending using nigger whenever I want as sane and honest. I don't deny that everyone is inherently racist to some degree, nor do I assert that my expressions were completely innocent. Slurs are not obscene unless I'm part of a lynching mob, or there's some other good reason to believe they actually will be, or I intended them to be, the proximate cause of a negative outcome that cannot be reasonably justified. And I don't pretend people are idiots for not liking a vulgarity, so your point is a bit lost on me since you apparently used an "obscenity" to accuse me of being obscene. Are you suggesting the word 'damn' is also inappropriate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    I hesitate to ask exactly what you consider obscene...
    Inciting a panic, slander/libel per se, certain types of pornography, and serious threats. A racial slur doesn't even come close, and neither does Holocaust-denial, trolling, or having a stupid opinion like the one you just expressed. When children are the audience, I would consider Holocaust-denial obscene, and some vulgarities as well. The reason I'd consider Holocaust-denial obscene is serious. Sociological studies have demonstrated that teaching children falsities like left means right, up means down, etc. will lead to insanity and institutionalization. Vulgarity is far less pernicious.

    The more paranoid delusional people among us occasionally get up close and personal with #1 on the list: (attempting) to incite a panic. See if you can find any examples.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    when obscenity and insults are expressed and tolerated, that lowers the integrity of the site and reflects on all. That was one good rule that N0rm enforced, and it worked well.
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    Personal attacks are out of control here ...
    we all know who started it, but it didn't end there.

    This is elementary forum protocol: you may deem a post "idiotic" but you may not call the poster an idiot...

    No name-calling. No off-topic posts. No trolling.


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    As I see it, I want to report the facts. ZG came online with a quite stern request to stop the personal attacks. Since then multiple redacted posts have come into being, none written by me. That is because the language and insults are more egregious on said posts. I recognize that a personal attack is a personal attack. I only decided to re-institute said attacks when it was clear that there wasn't any enforcement action to couple with the stern request. Perhaps I over-stepped too soon before said enforcement would have been enacted. If that is the case, then I definitely apologize, and frankly I apologize anyway. The fact is, we are on a conspiracy website. Conspiracy is more mainstream news than ever before. Nonetheless, we have a millennial who also happens to be a rabid old-school conservative in the sense of allegiance to mainstream ideas who is trolling this site in an effort to lambast those who believe there are more influences at work in America than the pres, congress, judicial branch and the people. I am a very profusely well-read student of government and philosophy, so having this xxxx-xxx who can't even surpass a sub-average grade on the Law School Aptitude Test continually assault reality on this forum is something I won't stand for. And if insults are going to be allowed to continue then I will do so in exchange. That said, again, I respect the nature of your post, and I will refrain in kind if that is going to be a mutually enforceable standard of communication here.
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