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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    One thing you said bothers me. You said that if you are poor you are forced to buy healthcare you can't afford or pay a huge tax. That is not my understanding. If you are poor, the government will pay you into the system form what the rest of us pay; at least, that is my understanding. No poor person would vote for Obama if they were going to have to pay dearly for healthcare. I think who it will hurt is the middle class and the rich (although nothing hurts them), not the poor. But I may be wrong. Maybe you can explain. The rest of what you said I pretty much agree with, although on the BP exclusion, I wouldn't be surprised if it was just business as usual with no substantive change from the Bush years. The White House really doesn't know what goes on down at the operational level in most cases; they just issue general guidelines to Department and Agency heads, who themselves may not realize what goes on until the SHTF.
    I have a friend who has been poor since the collapse of the economy. He works as an artisan sculpter and a ship-right building tall ships. He is also an excellent jack of all trades but in SC the job market is horrible. The illegal aliens get all the available work so people have been leaving the state like the Okies left the dust bowl. When he left he was one in a convoy of pickup trucks loaded with possessions leaving the state. He had to leave as well. He is afraid Obamacare will make him broke. There is no provision for the poor in the bill that he is aware of. He has been a staunch Obama supporter but knows his choice is to spend all his money on insurance or a big chunk of it in the tax penalty. He recently found work building a tall ship in Massachusetts. He is hoping Romneycare was a better deal for the poor. He is holding onto that hope as next year they are building another tall ship. Otherwise his entire health care budget and most of his food and rent budget will go to either the government or the insurance companies without him getting one visit to a doctor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shred View Post
    I have a friend who has been poor since the collapse of the economy. He works as an artisan sculpter and a ship-right building tall ships. He is also an excellent jack of all trades but in SC the job market is horrible. The illegal aliens get all the available work so people have been leaving the state like the Okies left the dust bowl. When he left he was one in a convoy of pickup trucks loaded with possessions leaving the state. He had to leave as well. He is afraid Obamacare will make him broke. There is no provision for the poor in the bill that he is aware of. He has been a staunch Obama supporter but knows his choice is to spend all his money on insurance or a big chunk of it in the tax penalty. He recently found work building a tall ship in Massachusetts. He is hoping Romneycare was a better deal for the poor. He is holding onto that hope as next year they are building another tall ship. Otherwise his entire health care budget and most of his food and rent budget will go to either the government or the insurance companies without him getting one visit to a doctor.
    Sad. The whole premise of Obamacare was supposed to be to cover the poor and others who could not qualify for healthcare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    A few comments:First, I take it that this video has been out and obtainable on the Internet for 18 years or so. Is this correct? Second, this is the first time I have ever viewed it. I have heard many parts of it, but never in such a complete and unambiguous manner. Am I that out of touch, or has there been a concerted effort to suppress it since 1994? If so, how could that have been done? Has this video been available all these years, but I just never paid attention to it? lol Third, I watched the entire video from start to finish, and I must say I believed every word of it. Amazing. My BS detector, which I try to keep well tuned, did not go off once. As a Christian I say, "There, but for the grace of God, go I." Sadly, what separates many of us from just such a criminal and reprehensible path in life is lack of opportunity. This is not to condone, but just to recognize human weakness. Such malfeasance still needs to be dealt with in no uncertain terms whenever encountered. What could be done to reduce such abuses of public power?
    • People in the know should not relent from bringing these facts and more to light. We owe it to the American people. But I would caution anyone in so doing to be as careful as humanly possible so as to protect themselves and their families from bodily harm.
    • I believe without reservation that the Republican Party is just as susceptible to this and worse scandals, and so I would not view this in any way asan indictment of the Democratic Party.
    • The existence of "career" politicians looms even larger in my mind as a major contributing factor to these type of abuses. If we can limit terms of elected officials, we will throw a significant obstacle in the way of those who would abuse the exercise of public power.
    • Support the legalization of drugs. It is better to have a doped up society than a doped up society with all the attendant evils of illegal drug trafficking, including politicians using illegal drug activity to maneuver themselves into powerful positions in state and federal government.
    • Eliminate the ability of government to appoint top government officials from the ranks of those sectors which they will be called on to oversee and regulate. They may know more about those sectors, which qualifies them in the sense of expertise, but they can hardly be considered unbiased and expected to suddenly ignore their former cronies in favor of the faceless American public, not to mention, could they be expected to blow the whistle on any criminal activities in those organizations that formerly employed them. Let other citizens fill these positions; they can employ "experts" as needed. It only stand to reason!
    • Eliminate contributions to political campaigns by anyone other than private citizens from their personal wealth, and cap the size of those donations.
    • Make it simple and easy for any private citizen to run for public office.
    Well, I'll be. You finally got it, that Billary has been a naughty lot, all the while working as a valued, high-ranking Capo for the Poppy Cabal. Did you get the Mena/Cocaine/Contra/Arms thing... and the Denver Bush/Clinton Crime Conspiracy?

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    The Activities at Mena - MENA is no myth!

    By Michael Rivero"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."
    -- George Bush, cited in the June, 1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter
    George Bush with legendary CIA agent Felix Rodriguez a.k.a. "Mr. Gomez" who ran the Mexican portion of the Iran-Contra guns and drug running operation.
    "I have put thousands of Americans away for tens of thousands of years for less evidence for conspiracy with less evidence than is available against Ollie North and CIA people. . . . I personally was involved in a deep-cover case that went to the top of the drug world in three countries. The CIA killed it."Former DEA Agent Michael Levine
    CNBC-TV, October 8, 1996

    "The connections piled up quickly. Contra planes flew north to the U.S., loaded with cocaine, then returned laden with cash. All under the protective umbrella of the United States Government. My informants were perfectly placed: one worked with the Contra pilots at their base, while another moved easily among the Salvadoran military officials who protected the resupply operation. They fed me the names of Contra pilots. Again and again, those names showed up in the DEA database as documented drug traffickers.
    "When I pursued the case, my superiors quietly and firmly advised me to move on to other investigations."
    Former DEA Agent Celerino Castillo
    Powder Burns, 1992

    "The Subcommittee found that the Contra drug links included:
    • Involvement in narcotics trafficking by individuals associated with the Contra movement.
    • Participation of narcotics traffickers in Contra supply operations through business relationships with Contra organizations.
    • Provision of assistance to the Contras by narcotics traffickers, including cash, weapons, planes, pilots, air supply services and other materials, on a voluntary basis by the traffickers.
    • Payments to drug traffickers by the US State Department of funds authorized by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the Contras, in some cases after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges, in others while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies."
    Senate Committee Report on Drugs,
    Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy
    chaired by Senator John F. Kerry

    "I really take great exception to the fact that 1,000 kilos came in, funded by US taxpayer money."
    DEA official Anabelle Grimm, during a 1993 interview on a CBS-TV "60 Minutes" segment entitled "The CIA's Cocaine." The 1991 CIA drug-smuggling event Ms. Grimm described was later found to be much larger. A Florida grand jury and the Wall Street Journal reported it to involve as much as 22 tons.


    ADV: The major influx of heroin into the US has led to a dramatic increase in heroin addiction and drug rehab centers over the years.

    SOURCE:
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.php

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    Default CIA Admits Cocaine Trafficking

    ALLEGATIONS OF CONNECTIONS BETWEEN CIA
    AND THE CONTRAS IN COCAINE TRAFFICKING
    TO THE UNITED STATES (1)
    (96-0143-IG)

    Volume II: The Contra Story

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO.../contents.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    The Activities at Mena - MENA is no myth!

    By Michael Rivero"If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched."
    -- George Bush, cited in the June, 1992 Sarah McClendon Newsletter
    George Bush with legendary CIA agent Felix Rodriguez a.k.a. "Mr. Gomez" who ran the Mexican portion of the Iran-Contra guns and drug running operation.
    "I have put thousands of Americans away for tens of thousands of years for less evidence for conspiracy with less evidence than is available against Ollie North and CIA people. . . . I personally was involved in a deep-cover case that went to the top of the drug world in three countries. The CIA killed it."Former DEA Agent Michael Levine
    CNBC-TV, October 8, 1996

    "The connections piled up quickly. Contra planes flew north to the U.S., loaded with cocaine, then returned laden with cash. All under the protective umbrella of the United States Government. My informants were perfectly placed: one worked with the Contra pilots at their base, while another moved easily among the Salvadoran military officials who protected the resupply operation. They fed me the names of Contra pilots. Again and again, those names showed up in the DEA database as documented drug traffickers.
    "When I pursued the case, my superiors quietly and firmly advised me to move on to other investigations."
    Former DEA Agent Celerino Castillo
    Powder Burns, 1992

    "The Subcommittee found that the Contra drug links included:
    • Involvement in narcotics trafficking by individuals associated with the Contra movement.
    • Participation of narcotics traffickers in Contra supply operations through business relationships with Contra organizations.
    • Provision of assistance to the Contras by narcotics traffickers, including cash, weapons, planes, pilots, air supply services and other materials, on a voluntary basis by the traffickers.
    • Payments to drug traffickers by the US State Department of funds authorized by the Congress for humanitarian assistance to the Contras, in some cases after the traffickers had been indicted by federal law enforcement agencies on drug charges, in others while traffickers were under active investigation by these same agencies."
    Senate Committee Report on Drugs,
    Law Enforcement and Foreign Policy
    chaired by Senator John F. Kerry

    "I really take great exception to the fact that 1,000 kilos came in, funded by US taxpayer money."
    DEA official Anabelle Grimm, during a 1993 interview on a CBS-TV "60 Minutes" segment entitled "The CIA's Cocaine." The 1991 CIA drug-smuggling event Ms. Grimm described was later found to be much larger. A Florida grand jury and the Wall Street Journal reported it to involve as much as 22 tons.


    ADV: The major influx of heroin into the US has led to a dramatic increase in heroin addiction and drug rehab centers over the years.

    SOURCE:
    http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/mena.php
    No one knows the real facts. You make out like we now have the last word on US involvement in drug trafficking, but you don't. You don't know how drug trafficking is related to honest surveillance of foreign governments and their activities, or how CIA uses agents who have infiltrated drug networks to further the legitimate interests of the U.S. We infiltrate organized crime, and that is a good thing, we infiltrate unfriendly governments and that is a good thing, we infiltrate groups wherever they may be in order to further the interests of the U.S., and that is a good thing. Do we ever cross the line? Probably, as in the "fast and furious" scandal. I'm sure there are government agents who believe it is all right to participate in the commission of crimes if the ends are noble, but I don't think the majority of the American people would go along with that if the truth were known. We do need to be vigilant that our government does not involve itself in criminal activity, except to the extent of bringing the criminals to justice, and when it does cross the line, those involved should be punished. But this penchant for assuming that everything the U.S. does that is of a clandestine nature is criminal is a crime in itself. In our country a person is innocent until proven guilty. If you really had proof, heads would fall, but as it is, you are just beating the bushes [pun] in a frenzy of misplaced paranoia and unholy zeal in hopes of finding anything at all to justify your cynical view of the U.S. government and the American people, for surely such activities that you allege would have to involve countless Americans at lower levels to make them work. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially in the hands of little minds with nothing better to do than allege wrongdoing every time the wind blows and the leaves rustle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katz View Post
    ALLEGATIONS OF CONNECTIONS BETWEEN CIA
    AND THE CONTRAS IN COCAINE TRAFFICKING
    TO THE UNITED STATES (1)
    (96-0143-IG)

    Volume II: The Contra Story

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO.../contents.html
    A lawyer once told me felony crimes live forever. Therefore, I demand the CIA, the Bushes, the Clintons etc., all be charged with felony crimes forthwith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Tthree View Post
    Both parties do the same things for the same people. They just make a show of making it look different so the public will be divided and fighting with one and another. If you think the dems are anti big oil, look at what Obama did for BP. They were granted a categoric exclusion from EPA oversight on their most environmentally dangerous project. The administration said at the time "there is virtually no chance of any environmental impact". Fast forward a year and the gulf is covered in crude. If you think they care about the needy look at Obamacare. If you are poor you are forced to buy healthcare you can't afford or pay a huge tax. This lines the pockets of the insurance companies and the government but if you are poor you have even less money to see a doctor and the only policy you can afford has a ridiculous deductible so you still have to pay 100% anyway. I don't see them rushing to get the care they need under those circumstances. It was all about lining the pockets of big business.

    Did the big businesses that caused the mortgage crisis pay a price. No, they got a huge government bailout to use to give their executives fat bonuses.

    Did the program they said would help you if you were behind in your mortgage do that. The problem was it wasn't worth it for the banks to foreclose because you owed more than your house was worth. So they put a big wad of cash aside that you could have if you made years of payments on time if you didn't the lender would get it. Did this make it any easier to make your payments? NO. Did it make it worthwhile for the banks to foreclose the first time you missed a payment? YES. No doubt the size of that carrot was determined by the banks to be optimal for making foreclosure profitable on your underwater mortgage.

    If you look at any of the programs they say are designed to help, it doesn't take much analysis to figure out how it is deigned to screw you over while helping big business. This is true for both parties. The trouble is now they are helping big business build their overseas operations.
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