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    Nuclear facilities should not be built close to population centers nor should they be built on fault lines. I think economics is more often the driver than concern for human safety. Instead of saying, "This is where it is safe to build one," they say, "We need to build it here. Now what do we need to do to make it as safe as possible." Love of money truly is the root of all evil. But the newer nukes are far safer than the ones built back in the day, which of course is no consolation if you are living next to an older one.
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    U.S. Army General: The Whole Northern Hemisphere is at Risk of Becoming Largely Uninhabitable

    You may have entertained the idea of an improbable civilization ending events such as a ‘global killer’ asteroid, earth crust displacement or massive solar storms, but what if there existed a situation right now that was so serious that it literally threatened our very existence?

    According to a host of scientists, nuclear experts and researchers, were are facing exactly such a scenario – and current efforts may not be able to stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    U.S. Army General: The Whole Northern Hemisphere is at Risk of Becoming Largely Uninhabitable

    You may have entertained the idea of an improbable civilization ending events such as a ‘global killer’ asteroid, earth crust displacement or massive solar storms, but what if there existed a situation right now that was so serious that it literally threatened our very existence?

    According to a host of scientists, nuclear experts and researchers, were are facing exactly such a scenario – and current efforts may not be able to stop it.
    Brother Aslan seems convinced the threat is nowhere near what the General says. Perhaps if we all prayed to Zeus that might help?
    Dogma schmogma

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Brother Aslan seems convinced the threat is nowhere near what the General says. Perhaps if we all prayed to Zeus that might help?
    Tell me, exactly what are you doing, mon ami, besides setting off dubious alarms? Name:  chicken little.jpg
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    Japanese Professor:
    Where did all that plutonium contaminated water disappear to? Into the Pacific Ocean or the ground, of course —
    Who can comprehend the magnitude of radioactive contamination that threatens never to end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Planned this way? Planning their own dreadful demise from toxic radiation particles?
    Reptilians like radioctivity - its good for them, like sunlight to huimans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    Japanese Professor:
    Where did all that plutonium contaminated water disappear to? Into the Pacific Ocean or the ground, of course —
    Who can comprehend the magnitude of radioactive contamination that threatens never to end?
    Apparently, he can't.

    Even if it were true, unless there is something you can do about it, there is no sense worrying about it. *

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    Reptilians like radioctivity - its good for them, like sunlight to huimans.
    There you go. Godzilla will have a field day!
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    How The Kuroshio CurrentTransports Mostly Undiluted Radiation To The West Coast

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    Default Japanese Debris Plume From Tsunami Migrating Across Pacific Ocean

    Should you be worried about the thousands of miles of debris from Japan’s tsunami migrating across the Pacific Ocean to the U.S.? Daniel Stone reports on the floating junk—and radiation concerns.

    One year after the nuclear meltdown at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, scientists are beginning to understand exactly what happened. Concerns about nuclear fallout have dissipated, and safe parts of the area around the plant have slowly begun to be repopulated by people and wildlife.

    Yet as one problem subsides, another arises. The pile of garbage carried back to sea after the tsunami, officially known as the storm’s debris field, has been kept in motion by ocean currents over the past 12 months. Now it’s a line of trash thousands of miles long, migrating quickly toward Guam, Hawaii, and the West Coast of the U.S. Junk is one concern, but health officials are wondering how much water that came in contact with the nuclear plant’s radioactive core has been washed out to sea, potentially making its way through the ocean’s food chain and remaining toxic for hundreds of years.

    Debris is what you might expect from the 3 million tons of Pacific Ocean water that flooded Japan's east coast, then slowly receded: boats, car parts, lumber, scrap metal. The heavier objects are believed to have sunk not far from there—although a Russian fishing crew spotted a refrigerator last fall. Much of the remaining material won’t easily break down in the water column, nor from the complex friction created by ocean currents. It also won’t stay together. Modeling teams at the International Pacific Research Center in Hawaii have mapped the spread of the plume, noting that it has traveled 2,000 miles since the tsunami struck land in March 2011. An animation shows how it might soon engulf Midway Island, a U.S. military hub.

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    Large piles of debris washed away during last year's tsunami is collected at a dump site Minamisanriku, Japan on March 8, 2012. (Daniel Berehulak / Getty Images)

    Follow the path as the plume spreads and the ultimate destination becomes clear. As ocean currents head eastward across the Pacific, the plume is expected eventually to hit the West Coast of the United States. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has led surveying missions over the western Pacific to chart the path of the debris, using advanced computer models to track ocean currents, wind variabilities, and other geographic metrics. “We’re preparing for the best- and worst-case scenarios—and everything in between,” Nancy Wallace, director of NOAA’s Marine Debris Program, said in a statement.

    The models show that the sludge may touch the north shore of the Hawaiian archipelago as soon as next month, then continue its meander to the northwest U.S. in early 2013. Circular momentum caused by both ocean currents and the wind-based Coriolis force fueled by the Earth’s rotation will then lead the debris back toward the central Pacific in 2014.

    In the days after the meltdown, thousands of gallons of radioactive water flowed into the ocean.

    There are certainly limits to computer models, and scientists have difficulty forecasting weather more than a few weeks in advance, let alone ocean movements years from now. While stray objects may wash up on beaches, there’s reason to believe the broader collection of floating junk will end up in an area of ocean about 1,000 miles north of Hawaii known as the Great Pacific Garbage Patch. Since it was discovered in 1997, the area, hundreds of miles across and at the very center of rotating currents, has long been considered a dead zone for marine wildlife, a virtual landfill of millions of tons the world’s trash, washed up over decades and kept in slow, perpetual rotation.

    When Newsweek reported on the GPGP in 2009, ocean conservationists with the Ocean Voyages Institute in Sausalito, Calif., were trying to imagine ways to clean it up, ideally through recycling the material into usable oil (much of it is floating plastic), . Yet with the tsunami debris joining the gyre, the problem is compounding more quickly than anyone can measure. Charles Moore, a ship captain who discovered the gyre in 1997, gave up long ago, saying that the effort to clean it up would bankrupt any nation.

    Once ocean advocates accept the degrading impact of aging garbage infesting the waters, questions remain about a longer-lasting threat: radiation. Much of the tsunami water refilled the Pacific days before the meltdown of nuclear reactors at the Fukushima plant. But in the days after the meltdown, thousands of gallons of radioactive water flowed into the ocean as well, according to several on-site incident reports. Plant officials at Fukushima even dumped highly radioactive water into the Pacific to make room for even more radioactive water needed to cool storage containers. According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, in April 2011, levels of radioactive iodine-131 and cesium-137 in seawater off the Japan coast were measured at 5 million and 1 million times what most governments consider an acceptable level of exposure. Different compounds have different radioactive half-lives, but the most potent will stay toxic for several centuries.

    Nuclear scientists have been deluged with government and industry reports marking the one-year anniversary of the Fukushima meltdown. But among the most respected is one from the American Nuclear Society, the leading group of nuclear professionals. ANS researchers found that all off-site health consequences of the Fukushima Daiichi accident may ultimately be negligible. “From what we know now, there will be no major measurable health impacts,” says Dale Klein, former chairman of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, who helped write the ANS report. NOAA and nuclear scientists have also dismissed concerns of health impacts on contaminated water that came in contact with the reactor.

    Wildlife biologists and environmentalists, however, aren’t as quick to dismiss the impending risks. “It’s one thing to have radioactivity to humans, it’s another thing to have little teeny amounts that bioaccumulate in the food chain,” says Miyoko Sakashita, oceans director with the Center for Biological Diversity. (That process occurs when small amounts of radiation make their way into bigger and bigger organisms, eventually ingested by humans.) The environmental group Greenpeace has questioned government surveying of radiation, at times conducting toxicity tests of its own. “It’s a concern that you’ve done some serious damage to the marine field around Japan,” says Jim Riccio, a nuclear policy analyst with the group.

    Japan, largely powerless to stop the spread of its debris, has with limited success monitored the threat of radiation it may export. Demand for seafood from Japan dropped by 47 percent in South Korea, Japan’s closest trading partner. Inspectors with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, meanwhile, have kept watch on seafood caught in the west Pacific that is sold within America's borders. As of December, the regulatory agency said it had detected no radionuclides in any fish imported from Japan.


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    So far so good. Not good to raise false alarms. Tell us when the first instance of highly radioactive material reaches our shores. Our man Obama is on the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    So far so good. Not good to raise false alarms. Tell us when the first instance of highly radioactive material reaches our shores. Our man Obama is on the case.
    The radiation has been hitting ALL OVER North America for nearly a year now. There is a MSM blackout.

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    Study: Fukushima radiation plume contacted North America at California
    -- ‘with greatest exposure in central and southern California’


    WET DEPOSITION OF FISSION-PRODUCT ISOTOPES TO NORTH AMERICA FROM THE FUKUSHIMA DAI-ICHI INCIDENT

    California Slammed With Fukushima Radiation
    The Journal Environmental Science and Technology reports in a new study that the Fukushima radiation plume
    contacted North America at California “with greatest exposure in central and southern California”, and that
    Southern California's seaweed tested over 500% higher for radioactive iodine-131 than anywhere else in the U.S. and Canada

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDutton View Post
    The radiation has been hitting ALL OVER North America for nearly a year now. There is a MSM blackout.

    One year ago -


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    Study: Fukushima radiation plume contacted North America at California
    -- ‘with greatest exposure in central and southern California’


    WET DEPOSITION OF FISSION-PRODUCT ISOTOPES TO NORTH AMERICA FROM THE FUKUSHIMA DAI-ICHI INCIDENT

    California Slammed With Fukushima Radiation
    The Journal Environmental Science and Technology reports in a new study that the Fukushima radiation plume
    contacted North America at California “with greatest exposure in central and southern California”, and that
    Southern California's seaweed tested over 500% higher for radioactive iodine-131 than anywhere else in the U.S. and Canada
    I just saw something on Japanese debris that washed ashore in Washington State. There was no discernible radioactivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    I just saw something on Japanese debris that washed ashore in Washington State. There was no discernible radioactivity.
    There was, its a blackout. But I was referring to radiation in general and not the recent start of greater debris.

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