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    Quote Originally Posted by QFIT View Post
    First, your logic is based upon the assumption that Tancredo was speaking logically. He was purposely feeding the racists in the crowd. Second, speaking English is NOT a requirement to vote for President, which is why voting instructions are provided in Spanish in my city as well as many other languages.

    Illegal immigrants can't vote now, and there is no evidence that they do in any significant number. It would be a ridiculous risk for them to try to register. It makes no sense to propose such a controversial law to solve a problem that doesn't exist. The second part of your sentence makes sense. He wants to stop people from voting that vote Democratic. He and you define such people as dumb and gullible. Well, I may be dumb and gullible, but I have a right to vote and it is anti-democratic to prevent me because of my dumbness and gullibility.

    I'm really not certain I believe you actually think Tancredo was not referring to Hispanics. Seems to me that would be dumb and gullible, which you aren't.
    In our part of the US, you and I both know that if a person doesn't speak English, they probably don't speak Spanish either. Other than old people from Puerto Rico, how can a person be a US citizen and never have learned English either in school or as part of naturalization? In NYC there probably are a significant number of elderly PR's so Spanish language voting instructions might make sense.

    Well, OK, I just thought of something- a person could immigrate with their parents at age 16 not knowing English, but their parents do, and their parents' naturalization could be conferred to them, while the children are 16 and not required to go to school. I'm sure it's happened, but how common could that be? And their language would probably not be Spanish, more likely to be Japanese or Greek, from where young people don't all like to use English.

    You are right that the dumb and gullible should be allowed to vote. But it is not too much to ask to ensure that they at least understand the voter's oath. It could be argued that allowing them to vote without understanding it discriminates against those who do understand it, because it constrains us without constraining them.

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    My current housekeeper is from Ecuador and my previous from Haiti. They speak very little English and are legal. My GF hired them and communicates with them. NYC voting materials and election phone banks are in English, Spanish, Cantonese, Korean and Russian.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "voter's oath." Vermont is the only state with this. In NYC, you mail in your registration form. You affirm that you are a citizen, lived in NYC for 30 days, 18, don't vote elsewhere, are not in jail or on parole, and haven't been judged mentally incompetent by a judge. You sign it. If you can't write, you can make a mark. No notary. What's to understand?
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    Incidentally, no id is required to register or vote in NY. Not that an id means much. I got my passport with no id. I didn't have any id to bring when I got my passport. I then used the passport to get my license.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QFIT View Post
    My current housekeeper is from Ecuador and my previous from Haiti. They speak very little English and are legal. My GF hired them and communicates with them.
    Are they United States citizens? Simply being legal is not enough to vote. They will need more than "very little English" before they get to vote.

    Quote Originally Posted by QFIT View Post
    NYC voting materials and election phone banks are in English, Spanish, Cantonese, Korean and Russian.
    Those racists! They are trying to discriminate against the Germans, Italians, French, Vietnamese, and Czechs!

    One of the problems with multi-lingual voting is that the authorities can "tune" who shows up to vote by controlling the languages used. I am sure it is no accident Vietnamese isn't included.

    Quote Originally Posted by QFIT View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by "voter's oath." Vermont is the only state with this. In NYC, you mail in your registration form. You affirm that you are a citizen, lived in NYC for 30 days, 18, don't vote elsewhere, are not in jail or on parole, and haven't been judged mentally incompetent by a judge. You sign it. If you can't write, you can make a mark. No notary. What's to understand?

    That's a voter's oath, which NYC has made meaningless as it is unenforceable with no way to prove who really made that mark. I am using the term "voter's oath" to denote any oath or affirmation necessary to register to vote. Connecticut has one too. I think all states do.

    I don't understand what the practical difference is between being judged mentally incompetent by a court, and not knowing the basics of civics or English. In both cases you enter the voting booth and exert your will over your fellow citizens without understanding what you are doing or the consequences.

    And isn't discriminating against the mentally handicapped a form of bigotry? I mean, so what if a citizen hears voices that tell him how to vote? He didn't ask to be born that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by QFIT View Post
    Incidentally, no id is required to register or vote in NY. Not that an id means much. I got my passport with no id. I didn't have any id to bring when I got my passport. I then used the passport to get my license.
    I assume this all happened a long time ago.

    But do you think this trick will work with player's cards?

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    With a few rare exceptions (elderly people born in Puerto Rico before English was required, and now living in the States) no person who can only use Spanish is eligible to vote for President in the US. Thus it is not logical to suspect he meant Spanish speaking people.


    Thats not true at all. There are tens of thousands of children born in this country, thus they are US citizens, of Spanish speaking parents who are raised in a spanish speaking environment. I deal with them on a daily basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    Those racists! They are trying to discriminate against the Germans, Italians, French, Vietnamese, and Czechs!

    One of the problems with multi-lingual voting is that the authorities can "tune" who shows up to vote by controlling the languages used. I am sure it is no accident Vietnamese isn't included.
    Federal mandate where a set percentage of citizens in that district speak a foreign language spoken in the home. Not that easy to tune to exclude any group.

    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    I don't understand what the practical difference is between being judged mentally incompetent by a court, and not knowing the basics of civics or English. In both cases you enter the voting booth and exert your will over your fellow citizens without understanding what you are doing or the consequences.
    In one case you have a judge, a lawyer, a physician and a right to defend yourself. It's also a rarity. In the other, you have a clerk, probably hired by a party official, making a judgment call.

    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    And isn't discriminating against the mentally handicapped a form of bigotry? I mean, so what if a citizen hears voices that tell him how to vote? He didn't ask to be born that way.
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    I assume this all happened a long time ago.

    But do you think this trick will work with player's cards?
    I'm just talking about a passport. Not something serious like a player's card.
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    Diver, I haven't logged in for awhile. You are correct, the "naive liberal" thing was uncalled for. I did a cursory exam re: anarcho-libertarianism etc. and found it interesting that Noam Chomsky has very similar views with Ron Paul.
    Specifically tht unjustifiable power is illegitimate, our foreign policy is hypocritical ( if not immoral, my addition ), our drug policy is a complete failure and mass media often serves as a propaganda tool.
    Thanks for the enlightenment. I'll try not to post anymore simplistic videos, QFit may have high blood pressure

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    When Kerry Packer - the Australian media and casinos-owning tycoon died in December 2005, his funeral was one of the rare occasions his body was ever seen in a church. For me, it was sickeningly pathetic to see on TV the cavalcade of politicians paying their final pseudo-respects to the multi-billionaire who always seemed to be wearing baggy-assed trousers. I believe the reason for this was his pockets were so full of politicians, many of whom turned up at his funeral for one last suck on his cold, dead... wallet.

    For decades, Kerry was the Big Man With Clout in Australian politics. Although he had a reputation as a hard-nosed, ruthless businessman, he also was exceedingly generous to certain charities when it suited him. (A children's hospital wing is named after him.)

    Democracy as I understand it is a sham. Re-election campaigns bankrolled by corporations or wealthy individuals is an assault on the so-called spirit of democracy. Whole parties or groups of politicians receiving bulk contributions from self-interest entities absolutely sucks. From what I can see, this is normal for most democracies in the Western world.

    In the Australian version, factionalism rules the day - another blight... calling in favors, you scratch my back... deal making, and so on it goes. Democracy may be the best system of the bad lot, but hell, surely there are better systems than this farce...
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    Quote Originally Posted by QFIT View Post
    I'm not sure what you mean by "voter's oath."
    Its called the pledge of allegiance. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    And literally, with chemicals like fluoride and chem-trails and aspartame.
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    Yeah, and that evil Dihydrogen Monoxide (water). It caused me a loss on ole Stewball and it's why ever since I drink wine instead of water:

    Oh Stewball was a racehorse, and I wish he were mine.
    He never drank water, he always drank wine.

    His bridle was silver, his mane it was gold.
    And the worth of his saddle has never been told.

    Oh the fairgrounds were crowded, and Stewball was there
    But the betting was heavy on the bay and the mare.

    As they were approaching about half way around,
    the grey mare she stumbled, and fell to the ground.

    And a-way up yonder, ahead of them all,
    Came a-prancin' and a-dancin' my noble Stewball.

    I bet on the grey mare, I bet on the bay
    If I'd have bet on ol' Stewball, I'd be a free man today.

    Oh the hoot owl, she hollers, and the turtle dove moans.
    I'm a poor boy in trouble, I'm a long way from home.

    Oh Stewball was a racehorse, and I wish he were mine.
    He never drank water,he always drank wine.
    Once again, mon Squirrel, lay off the tap water and the liquor, both erode your brain cells.
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    Quote Originally Posted by QFITman View Post
    A state official religion is unconstitutional.

    Tancredo called for a civics literacy test. Very, very few Americans would pass this. A test to determine eligibility for voting is anti-democratic on its face unless it tests only age, residence, citizenship and in some states criminal record.
    On the other hand, the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter....
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    I propose Mexican 21, as opposed to Spanish 21. Best feature of this game is if you get a stiff card, a small bribe allows you to burn the stiff and receive another card. This continues until A. you receive the card you like or B. you deplete your bankroll and are then kidnapped and held for ransom...

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    Quote Originally Posted by metronome View Post
    I propose Mexican 21, as opposed to Spanish 21. Best feature of this game is if you get a stiff card, a small bribe allows you to burn the stiff and receive another card. This continues until A. you receive the card you like or B. you deplete your bankroll and are then kidnapped and held for ransom...
    How about Jigaboo 21. There is no space for a main bet, just the side bet. The dealer gets no cards. EBT welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metronome View Post
    I propose Mexican 21, as opposed to Spanish 21. Best feature of this game is if you get a stiff card, a small bribe allows you to burn the stiff and receive another card. This continues until A. you receive the card you like or B. you deplete your bankroll and are then kidnapped and held for ransom...
    Mex21 I like. Zio21 is another. In this, there are six decks with TWO cards like Jokers, only they bear the face of Bibi. If you score one of those in your hand, it counts as anything you say. If the dealer scores one, you pay him double your bet.

    As an added bonus when you get a Bibi, if you shout OY VEY, you get a free entry into a lottery prize of two weeks in Jerusalem. Second prize is three weeks in Jerusalem.

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    Yeah, and 3rd place is an afternoon in a settlement in (former) Palestinian territory...

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