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    Obama defends US wars as he accepts peace prize

    By BEN FELLER, Associated Press Writer – 28 mins ago

    OSLO – Newly enshrined among the world's great peacemakers, President Barack Obama offered a striking defense of war. Eleven months into his presidency, a fresh Obama doctrine. Evil must be vigorously opposed, he declared as he accepted the Nobel Peace Prize on Thursday. At the same time, he made an impassioned case for building a "just and lasting peace."
    "I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people," Obama told his audience in Oslo's soaring City Hall. "For make no mistake: Evil does exist in the world."

    Pronouncing himself humbled by such an honor so early in "my labors on the world stage," Obama nevertheless turned his Nobel moment into an unapologetic defense of armed intervention in times of self defense or moral necessity. The hawkish message was an inevitable nod to the controversy defining his selection: an American president, lauded for peace just as he escalates the long, costly war in Afghanistan.

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    Just goes to show the prize is a joke. By the way a member of this board has won one. No I'm not kidding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SystemsTrader View Post
    Just goes to show the prize is a joke. By the way a member of this board has won one. No I'm not kidding.
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    Obama Nobel Peace Prize: What Arabs think
    The Obama Nobel Peace Prize is seen as inappropriate by many Arabs, who are angry about the surge of US troops into Afghanistan and a stagnant Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Obama Nobel Peace Prize: What Arabs think
    The Obama Nobel Peace Prize is seen as inappropriate by many Arabs, who are angry about the surge of US troops into Afghanistan and a stagnant Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
    I agree with Glenn Beck on this one. It doesn't make any sense. He didn't earn it. I don't have anything against someone getting the prize, but it has no meaning if it isn't earned.

    Whether one is prosecuting a war or not should have nothing to do with the peace prize. It is the "reasons" for waging war that are relevant. If a war is in defense of one's country, that's one thing; if a war is waged for ignoble reasons, that's another. For innocent countries to do nothing to resist other evil nations or parties that attack them is a step toward non-peace, if you will. World oppression sans active warfare is not synonymous with peace. It is a fool who believes that lack of conflict constitutes real peace. Who was it that said, if you want peace, prepare for war?

    What you might be saying is, why not focus the peace prize on those who employ peaceful measures to actively pursue peace. That is not the only way to contribute toward peace, but it is a venue that should be highly encouraged. Legend has it that when Saint Francis of Assisi visited the middle east during the Crusades, he was seen to be crossing back and forth across the front lines ministering to the wounded on both sides. To me, that is the epitome of a true peacemaker; but it should not be twisted to mean that the warrior who defends the peace is any less noble or needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    I agree with Glenn Beck on this one. It doesn't make any sense. He didn't earn it. I don't have anything against someone getting the prize, but it has no meaning if it isn't earned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    He's fighting for peace. zg
    In that case, give the prize to George Bush! He not only started the fight, but he won the fight in Iraq!
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    I mean, let's face it--if you go around starting wars to "liberate" the people, you're no better than the communists that we spent fifty years of cold war opposing. People have to be self-determining.

    What's the test for aiding wars of liberation anyway? More than 50% want you to help them? What do we do, take a poll? BTW, was it 50% of the American colonists? If it had been 30%, would it be all right for a third party nation to come in and help us? Does the end justify the means?

    Is socialism by its nature evil? How could it be? In principle it strives to be fair to all. Is democracy by its nature good? How could it be? In practice the people are not really free and its the ruling elite, some behind the scenes, who really run everything. In point of fact, neither system lives up to its billing.

    Personally, I think democracy outperforms socialism by measures of freedom and prosperity. It permits freedom of religion, something that some major attempts at socialism have found it necessary to repress. In so many ways, socialism requires a slavish subordination to the state, whereas democracy does allow for some degree of resistance to the ruling elite.

    I would willingly fight for our flawed democracy, whereas I would not do so if I thought it were a de facto socialist state. In fact, I would fight against it if it reached the extreme in socialism, including the elimination of legitimate representation.

    Radical? No more so than our founding fathers I think. It's a matter of degree, and Obama is quickly turning up the heat. I believe that Americans will be true to form and reject a move to all out socialism, but you have to admit, we are getting dangerously close.

    And that's the way it is. Waldo Klondike
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    Default Iits A Strange New World we live in Capt. Jack.

    In the "New World" War is Peace, just as Right is Wrong and Good is Bad and Cold is Warm and Controlled Poverty is Freedom. Where have you been?
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    A CNN poll found that just 19 per cent of Americans believed he deserved
    the prize and 43 per cent thought he was unlikely ever to deserve it. zg
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    Bill Moyers: We Have a Nobel Peace President Who Won't Ban Land Mines

    By Bill Moyers and Michael Winship, Bill Moyers Journal
    Posted on December 11, 2009


    Many people are troubled that Barack Obama flew to Oslo to receive the Nobel Peace Prize so soon after escalating the war in Afghanistan. He is now more than doubling the number of troops there when George W. Bush left office.

    The irony was not lost on the President, and he tried to address it in his Nobel acceptance speech. "I am responsible for the deployment of thousands of young Americans to battle in a distant land," he said. "Some will kill. Some will be killed. And so I come here with an acute sense of the cost of armed conflict -- filled with difficult questions about the relationship between war and peace, and our effort to replace one with the other."

    Granted, there's a gap here between the rhetoric and the reality. But there's always been something askew about Nobel Peace Prize, in no small part because it's given in the name of the man who invented dynamite, one of the most powerful and destructive weapons in the human arsenal.

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    I know that was awesome wasn't it.... He's finally seeing the reality of the situation... You ain't solving **** with a handshake....

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    I am not that conversant on the subject of land mines, but isn't there a middle ground? For example, use of land mines in a demilitarized zone, such as between North and South Korea, and with no access to civilians, seems like a fair compromise. But the areas would have to be sharply delineated and well known and posted, and their use only as a deterrent against enemy forces which might otherwise invade those territories. Tell me I am dreaming, as well I may be, but what I am saying could become reality, couldn't it?
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    Who would not be against indiscriminate use of land mines?

    But it seems like what is needed are guidelines for use.

    The parties who decry the use of land mines should then also decry the use of rifles and handguns in the conduct of war. I would be entirely in favor of that. But good luck in bringing it about.

    Imagine the battlefield filled with men armed only with their bare fists. I'm sure there would still be a number of atrocities, but talk about dialing it down a skosh!
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