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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathclutch View Post
    ECAA started out voicing his displeasure of the Zen Zone's affiliation to this site (which makes a lot of sense since nothing in here has anything to do with blackjack) ... All that was mentioned was Zen's credibility boost [from Zzone]
    Yes, ECAA describes Zzone as "garbage" and in the same breath says it boosts moi's credibility.

    The foremost AP communities, some anyway like http://www.twoplustwo.com/ have robust discussion forum(s) for politics, religion, conspiracy. When BJINFO loses Zzone it will have lost some of its intellectual capital. zg

    Ps - Lets keep the rest of Zzone discussion OFF of this thread.
    Last edited by zengrifter; April 25th, 2010 at 02:53 AM.
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    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
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    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    This is on topic, though - sound familiar? >>


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    Posted at Fight Club - Hosted by Stalker (aka XXXXXX)
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    Subject : What Whataburger [QFIT] will do for a link
    posted by Radar_O'Reilly on 05-16-2007 17:52

    http://blackjackforumonline.com/w-ag...key=1179359543

    Here's how the racket works. Zengrifter, who makes his living pulling off small cons on newbie card counters for $5-10k a crack, depends on the gambling Web sites to find new marks to rob.
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    The gambling product sellers, a lesser order of con man, depend on the gambling Web sites to sell their overpriced crap. [zg note - reference to BJINFO and QFIT]
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    Zengrifter helps the product sellers by relentlessly posting (under his own and other handles) how wonderful their crap is and putting up links to it.
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    The product sellers return the favor by allowing Zengrifter to pose as an expert on their boards and by defending him when the people who know his record warn new players that he's a thief.
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    The product sellers can't get a real pro to tell new players that they need $600 worth of crap, and it certainly wouldn't do to have their big promoter revealed to be the con man that he is.
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    Better to help a con man rip off people so that everyone can SELL SELL SELL.
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    (And by the way, Whataburger, not every honest, intelligent poster on the Internet is me.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny View Post
    Wow! That's quite a conspiracy theory. It almost belongs in the ZenZone!
    And now it is. zg
    Last edited by zengrifter; December 13th, 2009 at 02:37 AM.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
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    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhibitCAA View Post
    As I said, I'm including chats. Your statement above about your enthusiasm for splitting Tens is sufficient to verify my claim that you are among the lowest form of rookie when it comes to HCing.. but I'm sure you will now be careful to edit/delete any future postings or chat comments on the topic.
    People in these parts will attest that I have had very little chat participation.
    The BJINFO VB system does not allow deletion and edit of posts (nor chats) after 48-hrs. zg

    Ps - My comments about splitting tens refers mostly to COUNTING - However, when I signaled
    Barfy to split and resplit tens while HCing, I was following the strategy in ... Beyond Counting.
    Last edited by zengrifter; December 11th, 2009 at 04:58 PM.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
    .....................The Zengrifter Interview (PDF) |
    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
    -----------------------------------------
    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Ps - My comments about splitting tens refers mostly to COUNTING - However, when I signaled
    Barfy to split and resplit tens while HCing
    , I was following the strategy in ... Beyond Counting.
    See - Hole-carding + Scavenger play (ZG Utilizes Grojean)
    Last edited by zengrifter; January 4th, 2011 at 03:40 AM. Reason: fix link
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
    .....................The Zengrifter Interview (PDF) |
    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
    -----------------------------------------
    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    If ExhibitCAA's manner is indicative of what it takes to be a Blackjack Hall of Fame inductee, I can only pray that I am spared that honor. I am sure the rejoinder will/would be something like, "If you listen to ZG, you will not have to worry about that eventuality."...
    My experience with full-time AP's is that they have a tendency to be(come) damaged people. Cor blimey before I allow AP to make me a cruel, disreputable or selfish individual.

    Regardless of any of that, I take this discussion with the same seriousness as anything else in the Zen Zone, so...

    Happy Hanukkah, all you Zionists!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    My experience with full-time AP's is that they have a tendency to be(come) damaged people. Cor blimey before I allow AP to make me a cruel, disreputable or selfish individual.

    Regardless of any of that, I take this discussion with the same seriousness as anything else in the Zen Zone, so...

    Happy Hanukkah, all you Zionists!
    There Is No Second Place Winner ...even if your not brusque and merely informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    My experience with full-time AP's is that they have a tendency to be(come) damaged people. Cor blimey before I allow AP to make me a cruel, disreputable or selfish individual.

    Regardless of any of that, I take this discussion with the same seriousness as anything else in the Zen Zone, so...

    Happy Hanukkah, all you Zionists!
    Touché my friend! And Happy Saturnalia to you, cor blime us all! zg
    Last edited by zengrifter; December 12th, 2009 at 10:28 PM.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
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    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
    -----------------------------------------
    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    And a Happy Festivus to the rest of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Touché my friend! And Happy Saturnalia to you, cor blime us all! zg
    And Happy Genatalia to you, and cor blimey you as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathclutch View Post
    This then goes into a tirade about whether or not different posters are stand up guys, even though no one was specifically called out on being a stand up guy.
    Wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by ExhibitCAA
    New participants--and even some old ones--don't know who's who. So their reasoning will be: "Ken Smith has a reputation as a stand-up guy who is serious about blackjack, and if Ken Smith's serious site would give Zengrifter his own page, then Zengrifter probably knows about blackjack, too, and he's probably a stand-up guy like Ken Smith is."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhibitCAA View Post
    -->> stalker has said he had no conversation with you on this topic whatsoever, but that's immaterial in any case, as stalker had nothing to do with anything ...
    Got it. No misunderstanding any longer. I'm sorry that I imagined otherwise. zg
    Last edited by zengrifter; December 16th, 2009 at 11:10 PM.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
    .....................The Zengrifter Interview (PDF) |
    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
    -----------------------------------------
    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    If ExhibitCAA's manner is indicative of what it takes to be a Blackjack Hall of Fame inductee, I can only pray that I am spared that honor. I am sure the rejoinder will/would be something like, "If you listen to ZG, you will not have to worry about that eventuality." lol

    I am wondering, too, why it makes such a big difference to set the record straight that you had absolutely nothing to do with ExhibitCAA's court case, or whatever? Does he see your name in proximity to his own as some kind of dead weight that will drag him down to the depths, or is he just being mean-spirited? Maybe he sees you as riding to fame on his coat tails. I wish he would at least make that much clear, if Forum members are to continue to be subjected to this rant.
    Still waiting. zg
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
    .....................The Zengrifter Interview (PDF) |
    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
    -----------------------------------------
    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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    I just stumbled upon this. It shows that ZG first made public his modest advisory role and recommendations on the James Grosjean Caesars flap in 2001. Strange that it took a decade for Grosjean to say something. Stalker was in or near that thread - he was actively posting and answering questions about the legal status. We note that Stalker did not dispute ZG's claim at that time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    We certainly had that opportunity in 2001-2002 when I first attempted follow up after reading the BJF story. But now it is a PUBLIC debate, and all are welcome. Even Stalker, far as I'm concerned, since he was the only other person privy to the comms. zg

    Ps - The BJF story in Grosjeans words (good read) may be read here
    I remember reading this story (http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...funnything.htm) several months ago on my own before I seen it here and it was a good read. However I thought it was a "calculated mistake" on the part of Grosjean, "while in the casinos custody" to admit that he could see the dealers hole card even though it is legal. In extremely stressful situations the fight or flight response can cause people to act hastily and do things that they normally would not do. He should have said nothing IMO, or at least nothing that is going to make them think you did something wrong. The fact that his partner was libelously listed in the Griffin book didn't make the situation look any better from the casinos perspective, another mistake. I believe that is what set the precedent for the cops to charge them with cheating and conspiracy charges. I think it would have been better had they just told them, "Look, we beat you guys fairly now let us go," and stuck to that story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I remember reading this story (http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...funnything.htm) several months ago on my own before I seen it here and it was a good read. However I thought it was a "calculated mistake" on the part of Grosjean, "while in the casinos custody" to admit that he could see the dealers hole card even though it is legal. In extremely stressful situations the fight or flight response can cause people to act hastily and do things that they normally would not do. He should have said nothing IMO, or at least nothing that is going to make them think you did something wrong. The fact that his partner was libelously listed in the Griffin book didn't make the situation look any better from the casinos perspective, another mistake. I believe that is what set the precedent for the cops to charge them with cheating and conspiracy charges. I think it would have been better had they just told them, "Look, we beat you guys fairly now let us go," and stuck to that story.
    As I pointed out to him herein, considering how many years he had already been haunting casinos at a pro-level,
    he was curiously/amateurishly ill-prepared for the inevitable.
    "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on."
    .....................The Zengrifter Interview (PDF) |
    The Zengrifter / James Grosjean Reputation Debate
    -----------------------------------------
    “Truth, like gold, is obtained not by growth, but by washing away all that is not gold.” — Leo Tolstoy........
    "Is everything a conspiracy? No, just the important stuff." ZG

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