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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhibitCAA View Post
    At one point, whether it was in a chat or post I am not sure, you said specifically that you "crafted the legal strategy" that we used to win our civil suits. This was utter nonsense, and is what sparked my own personal hatred of you, whereas prior to that I had nothing concrete (only the hearsay criticisms of others). There was no misunderstanding of what you said or its implication. You explicitly claimed credit for devising our legal strategy, and the fact is that you had nothing to do with any of it. If you had a conversation with your grandmother in which you happened to expound a strategy that duplicated the one we happened to use, that is irrelevant to me.
    Hmmm... if I said "crafted" I meant or should have said "envisioned" or "predicted" - certainly Stalker was surprisingly clueless at that moment. That said, I cannot recall precisely that I said "crafted" so maybe those are your words - I cannot find "crafted". "Envisioned" I did.
    ZG: "I also finally learned from you at that chatroom encounter recently that Terry didn't stay in for the duration."

    Yeah, you learn this only recently, even though I have written articles about our case, discussed it in chat, etc., etc. You are basically admitting what has always been the case--you have no involvement, no inside knowledge, no outside knowledge about my legal case.
    I only ever knew what Stalker shared when he reached out to me. I only read the BJF article. The strategy and choice of lawyers was all that I could offer him.
    ZG: "You could have set me straight years ago"

    In every instance when the topic has come up, I have attempted to set the record straight. And not just regarding your bogus claims, but also regarding the errors of fact that many have stated (e.g., that I was accused of cheating at blackjack at Caesars).
    I never heard that. I haven't been involved in any of your chats and discussions since 2001.
    And in what ways, Mr. Grifter, is our whole network amateur? Besides the fact that you are again falling into the same uninformed myth that the LVHCM is a single entity.
    What ways? Obviously you were entirely unprepared for an arrest, which of course you admitted in BJF. THAT (in your line of work) was amateur. As is also the cannibalistic-like manner that you guys undercut each other and blow up games that could otherwise last.
    Again, you just show that you have no clue what is going on. I don't think anyone who knows me even 1% would question that I am overflowing with animosity to posers and scammers and casino hosts.
    Yes, I would only know because in 2002 or so I remember the threads wherein you took the mercurial charlatan John May to task for suggesting that his book was a de facto companion to BC.

    Even then I recall thinking that what a disservice your public display of animosity did for your author and player mystique.
    ZG: "Certainly I am personally disappointed that after all of these years you decide to land on THIS board and cast such aspersions and denigrate local smalltimers, like Barfarkel at the same time. BJINFO is kinda THE community for "Barfarkels" from all walks."

    I have nothing against Barfarkel. He is what he is. But he is a good target for a poser/scammer, because he doesn't have much high-level playing experience (he would be the first to admit this I'm sure), so he will relish the retelling of his night with "The Grifter." I can't imagine any pro who would even sit at the same table with you, but I'm sure Barfarkel had fun doing so.
    You may be surprised as to what pros have sat at my table, but then again, card counters are not real pros in your self-inflated book and universe.
    ZG: "Perhaps these words and your desire to sell books will keep your disdain in check."

    Again, you show you know nothing about how the world works. Nothing will keep my disdain in check. And I do not have a desire to sell books. You really don't get it, do you?
    No I don't get it. Why do you show up here at WBPITTW at the same time as the book release. Are you simply tiring of the other boards filled with your cohorts and sycophants?
    I speak about what I know, and have said nothing about other allegations against you (though I would ask what happened to Syph's money, in your words) I know about my legal case, and I know about HCing. On both of these topics, you have made statements in the past (including chat rooms) that are ridiculous exaggerations at best.
    Have Syph (I gave him that nickname BTW) come here and start a thread about his money, since you don't know.
    ZG: "Yes, that was Stalker, not you, but you sure sound alot alike on this thread."

    Stalker also has no tolerance for posers, and will call a spade a spade. Obviously, stalker does not have the patience and typing speed to compose the long, meticulous posts that I do. To confuse us shows again that you need to try thinking for a change.
    Okay, you are really Radar O'Reilly, now that I'm thinking about it. No wonder you flame like a girl!
    ZG: "I hope you are not just here for selling your book. If you are running out of games (or just game?) you can always sign on with the Zender tour and sell game protection workshops for casino execs, like Aponte."

    Wow, why are you bringing Mike Aponte and Zender into this? Aponte can give all the seminars he wants and: A. That's good for the community, because the casinos might listen to the math from Aponte when he tells them that there is no real threat from counters; B. A pro can still get a game. Is there really any pro who worries for one second about Aponte's seminars? It's of such little consequence that I hadn't even thought about it. And Zender? Unlike several posers supposedly on the player's side, Zender actually came to the aid of the AP community when we needed it the most, and I don't know any pro who really has any legitimate issues with Zender. But you're not a pro, are you?
    I am only now beginning to appreciate the curiously frantic nature of your comm... have you always been like this? Bipolar? Manic? Diabetes? Radar's Menopause? TM can help.

    No, I am not a "pro" - I am a card counter. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhibitCAA View Post
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    Please resolve this by PM. You can then publish a summary or nothing at all, whatever you want. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Please resolve this by PM. You can then publish a summary or nothing at all, whatever you want. Thanks.
    We certainly had that opportunity in 2001-2002 when I first attempted follow up after reading the BJF story. But now it is a PUBLIC debate, and all are welcome. Even Stalker, far as I'm concerned, since he was the only other person privy to the comms. zg

    Ps - The BJF story in Grosjeans words (good read) may be read here
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhibitCAA View Post
    Another example of ZG being a poser: ZG has claimed to have taught the great DP how to count. Please.
    This last spurious remark was apparently 'slipped in' after the initial post.

    I think that 'DP' refers to Daryl Purpose (see ZGI). I do not state in ZGI that I taught Daryl how to count, per'se - he was already practicing and playing. I may have bumped him up to RPC from RPM, not certain - but I do quote him as telling a mutual non-BJ friend years later "Wow, [ZG] was the first one to show me what counting really was..." or close to that. zg

    Actual ZGI -
    Daryl was a raw novice when he and I met in a Las Vegas boiler-room, circa 1976. Daryl went on to play extensively with Kenny and later became a world-class musician... Daryl once remarked [to a mutual friend], “Wow, [ZG] was the first one to really show me about the game!”
    Last edited by zengrifter; December 11th, 2009 at 09:36 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    We certainly had that opportunity in 2001-2002 when I first attempted follow up after reading the BJF story. But now it is a PUBLIC debate, and all are welcome. Even Stalker, far as I'm concerned, since he was the only other person privy to the comms. zg

    Ps - The BJF story in Grosjeans words (good read) may be read here
    It doesn't sound like you are being debated, more like attacked. No matter what you say, it seems the other side wants to come back with more stuff. Those who are your friends here are not about to abandon you because of allegations, and those who do were fair weather friends to begin with. I for one am not going to split hairs about who is the quintessential card counter. I have learned a lot from your many counsels, and other notables like Fred Renzey are not jumping down your throat for misguiding novice players. Most of us are mature and wise enough to evaluate what we hear, and so far, I have not been led wrong on anything you have said. It just might be better to do the arguing offline in a PM, unless your opponent's sole purpose is to malign your name, and if that is the case, which I truly hope it is not, I don't want to hear another word from him. But do what you want--it's just annoying. I know, I know--I don't have to read it, and probably will not from here on in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    It doesn't sound like you are being debated, more like attacked. No matter what you say, it seems the other side wants to come back with more stuff. Those who are your friends here are not about to abandon you because of allegations, and those who do were fair weather friends to begin with. I for one am not going to split hairs about who is the quintessential card counter. I have learned a lot from your many counsels, and other notables like Fred Renzey are not jumping down your throat for misguiding novice players. Most of us are mature and wise enough to evaluate what we hear, and so far, I have not been led wrong on anything you have said. It just might be better to do the arguing offline in a PM, unless your opponent's sole purpose is to malign your name, and if that is the case, which I truly hope it is not, I don't want to hear another word from him. But do what you want--it's just annoying. I know, I know--I don't have to read it, and probably will not from here on in.
    I have to agree with you, I have not seen anything like this in a few years, and I do find it very disturbing especially with terms like "intense hatred of you" being used. I am saddened that this type of attack has occured on this site, disturbing....

    I think this entire thread should be busted, and I call on Ken, or the other moderators to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExhibitCAA View Post
    ...More recently, a shift boss at a Trump property fixed a dealer name K-- where we had an edge in excess of 100%, after he sat in the seat just vacated by my BP, and had the dealer continue to deal hands while he sat at the table with me and two other gamblers. He fixed the dealer and never even looked twice at me, having not picked off that I was signaling the BP. [boldface added]
    Just out of curiosity, what does it mean "fixed the dealer?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Just out of curiosity, what does it mean "fixed the dealer?"
    He corrected the dealer flaw that produced the flash. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by creeping panther View Post
    I have to agree with you, I have not seen anything like this in a few years, and I do find it very disturbing especially with terms like "intense hatred of you" being used. I am saddened that this type of attack has occured on this site, disturbing....
    Not every day one gets this type of intimate dialog with a BJ Hall of Fame inductee. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Not every day one gets this type of intimate dialog with a BJ Hall of Fame inductee. zg
    If ExhibitCAA's manner is indicative of what it takes to be a Blackjack Hall of Fame inductee, I can only pray that I am spared that honor. I am sure the rejoinder will/would be something like, "If you listen to ZG, you will not have to worry about that eventuality." lol

    I am wondering, too, why it makes such a big difference to set the record straight that you had absolutely nothing to do with ExhibitCAA's court case, or whatever? Does he see your name in proximity to his own as some kind of dead weight that will drag him down to the depths, or is he just being mean-spirited? Maybe he sees you as riding to fame on his coat tails. I wish he would at least make that much clear, if Forum members are to continue to be subjected to this rant.

    And, yes, I said I was not going to read any more of this, but I (accidentally at first) went back to the beginning and read all the posts leading up to this and it really ticked me off. If I could read between the lines I would say that the attacks appear to be motivated by jealousy, jealousy that you have achieved a modicum of fame undeservedly in his opinion, and that he is the one who really deserves to have fame if anyone does. Unrestrained pursuit of money and fame are two traits the human race could very well do without IMHO. I can live with a little wordplay here and there, and even some deliberate misstatements of the truth for a little vainglory (if that was indeed what happened and it is unclear that it did), but I cannot tolerate an unforgiving and mean spirit. It kills-- and there is no redemption for the unforgiving.

    Frankly, I don't see what any of this has to do with the Zen Zone. It will continue to live or die on its own "merits" (I use the term loosely) apart from any Blackjack-related events. I don't see where veracity has much to do with the Zen Zone--it's mostly personal opinion and editorializing anyway. And as much as I disagree with you on nearly every idea you promote, I will forever support your right to do so.

    As for what Ken should do in terms of migrating Zen Zone, I don't know what I would do in his shoes. It certainly does not promote ideas I cherish, and that is the understatement of the year. But it does provide a forum for people to disagree and to promote their own ideas. To shut it down on the grounds that it does not agree with one's personal convictions is tantamount to eliminating free speech altogether, except what agrees with me or thee, and that is certainly not what America is all about.

    Lastly, I guarantee you that even if ExhibitCAA could prove beyond all doubt that his accusations are correct, it would not serve to lessen ZG in my eyes so much as to reduce his own stature, whatever that may happen to be, to that of a mean-spirited, vindictive and malicious slanderer, green-eyed with jealousy and filled with his own self-importance [redundancy intended].

    The above rant of my own may be out in left field, I don't know. I just call them as I see them. If I am mistaken, I humbly apologize. And if certain persons are not aware how their own written words are being perceived, let them now be so appraised and given an opportunity to apologize themselves for their poorly worded remarks. If we try, we can all get along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    If ExhibitCAA's manner is indicative of what it takes to be a Blackjack Hall of Fame inductee, I can only pray that I am spared that honor. I am sure the rejoinder will/would be something like, "If you listen to ZG, you will not have to worry about that eventuality." lol

    I am wondering, too, why it makes such a big difference to set the record straight that you had absolutely nothing to do with ExhibitCAA's court case, or whatever? Does he see your name in proximity to his own as some kind of dead weight that will drag him down to the depths, or is he just being mean-spirited? Maybe he sees you as riding to fame on his coat tails. I wish he would at least make that much clear, if Forum members are to continue to be subjected to this rant.
    "Poser" he calls it, I think. However, if I was going to ride it to fame I'd have
    mentioned it in ZGI - "The day I crafted JG's Successful Litigation Strategy." zg
    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Frankly, I don't see what any of this has to do with the Zen Zone.
    Thats why we moved this to a separate thread, it did not belong on the ZZ Special Message thread. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    And if certain persons are not aware how their own written words are being perceived, let them now be so appraised and given an opportunity to apologize themselves for their poorly worded remarks. If we try, we can all get along.
    I apologize to ExhibitCAA for possible exaggerated description of my implied impact on the author's real world victory over Caesars (and especially Griffin) - JG struck a blow for for APs everywhere, and he turned getting backroomed into a most lucrative advantage play. Kudos. zg

    Ps - I also apologize for implying that the author may suffer from brain-chemical imbalance due to underlying affliction. What I meant to say is that... there are a number of decaffeinated coffees on the market now the have that same great taste as the high octane variety...
    Last edited by zengrifter; December 13th, 2009 at 03:36 AM.
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    I don't see why everyone is whining that Zen is getting attacked and this and that. A thread was started to see what people's opinion was on migrating the Zenzone. ECAA started out voicing his displeasure of the Zen Zone's affiliation to this site (which makes a lot of sense since nothing in here has anything to do with blackjack) and the fact that it elevates Zengrifter's status. That's the point of a thread, to debate!

    This then goes into a tirade about whether or not different posters are stand up guys, even though no one was specifically called out on being a stand up guy. All that was mentioned was Zen's credibility boost, undeserved/deserved and went from there.

    If we don't want discussions like this opened, maybe we shouldn't ask questions like . . . And how do you know that he's not a "stand-up guy"?

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    The Zen Zone sure doesn't boost ZG's credibility in so far as Blackjack goes, since it has nothing whatsoever to do with Blackjack. It may make him a luminary in the world of conspiracists, but that's about it. It may also lead uninformed persons to believe that ZG is a close friend of Ken's, but that notion has clearly been dispelled with the thread in which Ken announced the intended migration of Zen Zone. The migration will actually put a healthy distance between Blackjackinfo and Zen Zone, so even any imagined blackjack credibility boost should thereby be removed. If Zen Zone becomes a financially viable site in its own right, then Ken has made a wise business decision. If if doesn't pay its own way, then it is easy enough to pull the plug. What's the beef?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    I apologize ExhibitCAA for possible exaggerated description of my implied impact on your real world victory over Caesars, beginning with your Dark Nights of the Soul in LV Metro Jail to the final winning showdown. You struck a blow for justice for APs everywhere, and you turned getting backroomed into a most lucrative advantage play. Kudos. zg

    Ps - I also apologize for implying that you may suffer from brain-chemical imbalance due to underlying affliction. What I meant to say is that... there are a number of low-caffeinated coffees on the market now that have that same great taste of the high octane variety...
    Here (below) is the closest I can find to the offending 'exaggeration - it was a reaction to Stalker's behavior 2.5+ years ago, I beleive - (again I aplogoze for imagining that my advice - to someone who, it turns out, had nothing to do with anything - and recommendation of counsel, and predicted outcome - was anything more than a lucky guess and coincidence, and then spouting off about it in an inappropriate manner.) zg
    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    I honestly don't have a problem with [Stalker], except when he goes on the attack, meritless, extreme outing of me, and withholds my password from the Fight Club he moderates while he continue to post smack about me.

    Little known:
    When his partner was sitting in the slammer for a play gone bad in Y2K he didn't hesitate to call me (THE NEOPHYTE) for advice, and that advice led to a multi-hundred-thousand-dollar settlement for the partner.

    But now I'm a "clueless neophyte-charlatan who makes a living ripping off newbies and hawking worthless books and software"!
    Last edited by zengrifter; December 14th, 2009 at 02:40 AM.
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