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    Israel threatens to quit peace talks over UN war crimes vote

    Israel has threatened to pull out of Middle East peace talks if Britain and other
    European nations fail to back the country in a key vote at the United Nations.

    Telegraph.uk: 7:00AM BST 16 Oct 2009



    Binyamin Netanyahu reportedly urged Gordon Brown to oppose the
    resolution, saying that it could derail the peace process Photo: EPA


    A furious Israel said it would not continue with the peace plan if the UN Human Rights Council endorses a controversial report condemning the Jewish state for war crimes during the Gaza offensive in January.

    Britain is planning to abstain in the vote, the Times reports, prompting a heated telephone call between Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, and Gordon Brown on Wednesday night. Mr Netanyahu reportedly urged the Prime Minister to oppose the resolution, saying that it could derail the peace process.

    MORE- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...imes-vote.html
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    No doubt, when Brown receives the call from Obama he'll cave in.

    Most people in the UK don't have too much respect for him as our political leader (especially over the releasing of Al-Magari), but if he stood his ground on this one he might gain back a little. I'm not about to place a bet though.

    Which way will the States go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newb99 View Post
    No doubt, when Brown receives the call from Obama he'll cave in.

    Most people in the UK don't have too much respect for him as our political leader (especially over the releasing of Al-Magari), but if he stood his ground on this one he might gain back a little. I'm not about to place a bet though.

    Which way will the States go?
    You mean the United States Of Israel.

    The US will almost always back Israel, this is historical fact.

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    Israel loses UN vote on Gaza 'war crimes'

    Report calling for inquiry into invasion
    approved despite US opposition

    By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem


    The Goldstone report calling for a war crimes investigation into Israel's military offensive in Gaza last winter easily cleared its first UN hurdle yesterday despite intense lobbying by Israel and the US.

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    Extract from the above linked story published in the Independent:

    "The British call for a delay was proposed by Mr Brown on the basis of contact between No 10 and Mr Netanyahu's office, up to and including yesterday, over the possibility of Israel setting up a transparent inquiry into the Gaza war, better humanitarian access to Gaza and a West Bank settlement freeze – which Mr Netanyhau has already rejected despite coming under strong pressure from Washington.

    A Foreign Office spokesman said: "We were involved in intensive discussions with Israel (and the Palestinians) about potential substantive improvements in the situation on the ground." Whitehall officials declined to speculate last night on whether there was any realistic possibility of Israel making such concessions had the vote been further delayed."


    More British fudge. The possibility that the Israelis will establish an independent enquiry, that will be allowed access to all of the evidence, (untampered with) and where the possibility of the findings being published existed, is so fantastic it belongs in a science fiction novel.

    It provides more weight to the speculation that Brown is currently using mind altering substances for inspiration in getting himself and his party out of the hole they have dug themselves into. He'll probably make his next official visit overseas in a yellow submarine.

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    From a debating point of view you move onto thin ice when you start introducing such emotive material to the debate. All it really does is to highlight a personal angle. You don't publish nearly as much material showing the deaths of civilians caused by the actions of Hamas, Hizbollah and all of the other breakaway factions active?

    A few years back I remember seeing a photo of a demolished home located within a few KMs of the border with the Lebanon. Family members, including two children, were reported to have been killed when the rocket that was indescriminately fired from within the Lebanon by Hizbollah struck home. Destroyed homes, with dead inhabitents, look the same on both sides.

    The atrocities are not only perpetrated by one side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newb99 View Post
    From a debating point of view you move onto thin ice when you start introducing such emotive material to the debate. All it really does is to highlight a personal angle. You don't publish nearly as much material showing the deaths of civilians caused by the actions of Hamas, Hizbollah and all of the other breakaway factions active?
    Point taken, but the actions of Hamas and the others is minimal by
    comparison statistically, and they are the oppressed.

    Point taken nonetheless, mate. zg
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    Yes, agreed. This is all a matter of proportionality, and a proportional response to the threat, that is justifiable to the world at large. Something that seems to be lost on the Israelis.

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    HAMAS' unprovoked attacks against civilian populations are ALWAYS wrong. The Israeli retaliations are correct; it's only when they are disproportionate that they should be condemned, and then, not for retaliation but for the disproportionality.
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    Yes . . . and it's clear that the "disproportionality" of the Israeli actions in Gaza crossed the line between what might be considered reasonable response and criminal - criminal in that there was widespread disregard for the safety of the civilian population during military ops, hence the casualty rate.

    I'm pretty sure that if the US or UK forces operated in the same way in Afghanistan, then the officers responsible would end up being held accountable for their actions in a court of law. Hmmm, well, perhaps not the A10 pilots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by newb99 View Post
    Yes . . . and it's clear that the "disproportionality" of the Israeli actions in Gaza crossed the line between what might be considered reasonable response and criminal - criminal in that there was widespread disregard for the safety of the civilian population during military ops, hence the casualty rate.
    By some analysis, Israel vs Palestine is not a national boundaries "war" but rather a police action - that being the case, Israel has no respect for 'Arab' civilians and what we see, like the aerial phosphorus and other illicit actions, are just the tip of an iceberg. zg
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