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    What Role Did The U.S.-Israeli Relationship Play In 9-11?

    By Jeff Gates
    RENSE | 9-12-9


    On the day of the 9-11 attacks, former Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was asked what the attack would mean for US-Israeli relations. His quick reply was: "It's very good.Well, it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy (for Israel)."

    Intelligence wars rely on mathematical models to anticipate the response of "the mark" to staged provocations. Reactions thereby become foreseeable-within an acceptable range of probabilities. When Israeli mathematician Robert J. Aumann received the 2005 Nobel Prize in economic science, he conceded that "the entire school of thought that we have developed here in Israel" has turned "Israel into the leading authority in this field."

    With a well-planned provocation, the anticipated response can even become a weapon in the arsenal of the agent provocateur. In response to 9-11, how difficult would it be to foresee that the U.S. would deploy its military to avenge that attack? With fixed intelligence, how difficult would it be to redirect that response to wage a long-planned war in Iraq - not for U.S. interests but to advance the agenda for Greater Israel?

    The emotionally wrenching component of a provocation plays a key role in the field of game theory war planning where Israel is the authority. With the televised murder of 3,000 Americans, a shared mindset of shock, grief and outrage made it easier for U.S. policy-makers to believe that a known Evil Doer in Iraq was responsible, regardless of the facts.

    The strategic displacement of facts with induced beliefs, in turn, requires a period of "preparing the mindset" so that "the mark" will put their faith in a pre-staged fiction. Those who induced the March 2003 invasion of Iraq began "laying mental threads" and creating agenda-advancing mental associations more than a decade earlier.

    Notable among those threads was the 1993 publication in Foreign Affairs of an article by Harvard professor Samuel Huntington. By the time his analysis appeared in book-length form in 1996 as The Clash of Civilizations, more than 100 academies and think tanks were prepared to promote it, pre-staging a "clash consensus" five years before 9-11.

    Also published in 1996 under the guidance of Richard Perle was A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm (i.e., Israel). A member since 1987 of the U.S. Defense Policy Advisory Board, this self-professed Zionist became its chairman in 2001. As a key adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Perle's senior Pentagon post helped lay the required foundation for removing Saddam Hussein as part of a Greater Israel strategy, a key theme of A Clean Break released five years before 9-11.

    A mass murder, articles, books, think tanks and Pentagon insiders, however, are not enough to manage the variables in a "probabilistic" war-planning model. Supportive policy makers are also required to lend the appearance of legitimacy and credibility to an operation justified by intelligence fixed around a pre-determined agenda.

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    Was any aspect of 9/11 a conspiracy? –
    The Pentagon certainly was!

    SATURDAY, 12 SEPTEMBER 2009 02:32
    The Palestine Telegraph


    UK, September 11, 2009 (Pal Telegraph)- It is time again to reflect on the 9/11 disaster as we reach yet another anniversary. Many questions keep burning deep within our hearts as to who was responsible for this evil act and was there any evidence of a conspiracy theory? On the left we see a size comparison of a Boeing 757 at the Pentagon.

    It has been some considerable time since this sad event and many experts have had the time to evaluate all of the evidence. Experts from all sectors within the aviation industry have looked into this possible conspiracy and indications suggest it certainly wasn't a very large airliner such as the Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon.

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    Fifty questions on 9/11

    By Pepe Escobar | Sep 11, 2009


    It's September 11 all over again - eight years on. The George W Bush administration is out. The "global war on terror" is still on, renamed "overseas contingency operations" by the Barack Obama administration. Obama's "new strategy" - a war escalation - is in play in AfPak. Osama bin Laden may be dead or not. "Al-Qaeda" remains a catch-all ghost entity. September 11 - the neo-cons' "new Pearl Harbor" - remains the darkest jigsaw puzzle of the young 21st century.

    It's useless to expect US corporate media and the ruling elites' political operatives to call for a true, in-depth investigation into the attacks on the US on September 11, 2001. Whitewash has been the norm. But even establishment highlight Dr Zbig "Grand Chessboard" Brzezinski, a former national security advisor, has admitted to the US Senate that the post-9/11 "war on terror" is a "mythical historical narrative".

    The following questions, some multi-part - and most totally ignored by the 9/11 Commission - are just the tip of the immense 9/11 iceberg. A hat tip goes to the indefatigable work of 911truth.org; whatreallyhappened.com; architects and engineers for 9/11 truth; the Italian documentary Zero: an investigation into 9/11; and Asia Times Online readers' e-mails.

    None of these questions has been convincingly answered - according to the official narrative. It's up to US civil society to keep up the pressure. Eight years after the fact, one fundamental conclusion is imperative. The official narrative edifice of 9/11 is simply not acceptable.

    Fifty questions

    1) How come dead or not dead Osama bin Laden has not been formally indicted by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) as responsible for 9/11? Is it because the US government - as acknowledged by the FBI itself - has not produced a single conclusive piece of evidence?

    2) How could all the alleged 19 razor-blade box cutter-equipped Muslim perpetrators have been identified in less than 72 hours - without even a crime scene investigation?

    3) How come none of the 19's names appeared on the passenger lists released the same day by both United Airlines and American Airlines?

    4) How come eight names on the "original" FBI list happened to be found alive and living in different countries?

    5) Why would pious jihadi Mohammed Atta leave a how-to-fly video manual, a uniform and his last will inside his bag knowing he was on a suicide mission?

    6) Why did Mohammed Atta study flight simulation at Opa Locka, a hub of no less than six US Navy training bases?

    7) How could Mohammed Atta's passport have been magically found buried among the Word Trade Center (WTC)'s debris when not a single flight recorder was found?

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    Default Very large WTC gold deposits

    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    [B]Was any aspect of 9/11 a conspiracy? –
    The Pentagon certainly was!

    SATURDAY, 12 SEPTEMBER 2009 02:32
    The Palestine Telegraph

    UK, September 11, 2009 (Pal Telegraph)- It is time again to reflect on the 9/11 disaster as we reach yet another anniversary. Many questions keep burning deep within our hearts as to who was responsible for this evil act and was there any evidence of a conspiracy theory?

    It has been some considerable time since this sad event and many experts have had the time to evaluate all of the evidence. Experts from all sectors within the aviation industry have looked into this possible conspiracy and indications suggest it certainly wasn't a very large airliner such as the Boeing 757 that hit the Pentagon.

    MORE- http://www.paltelegraph.com/opinions...-certainly-was
    Below are some (cut and pasted) US readers' posts from the newspaper, on this topic. I bold-highlighted one that mentions a large gold stash in one of the tall buildings, hinting that was a major motive for 9/11. First I heard of it... ZG, you heard of the alleged huge gold deposits in WTC?

    This matter (of investigation of 9/11) is of obvious importance to Americans. It is of great importance to the rest of the world as well, because the future of humanity may well be in the balance... (that this issue be eventually fully exposed.)

    "Anonymous Coward" - Ask yourself these questions
    "Since we know the air force did not respond appropriately, that we dropped buildings on purpose, that we weren't allowed to see any real video, and that we were lied to many times. There are some very scary questions we have to ask ourselves:

    - How corrupt does the US gov't have to be for this to have happened?
    - What other goals do they have that are not peaceful?
    - What else are they willing to do to further their goals?
    - Is it too late for the public to do anything about it?
    - Is there any way this can end well, without another world war?


    The media is almost completely worthless, the Congress is almost completely worthless (with the wonderful exception of Ron Paul, who can't get into mainstream debates because of the corrupt media), and the public appears to have no power whatsoever. It appears we have lost control of "our" country. It appears it has been taken over by very scary, extremely dangerous people."

    "The Tas"
    "You are absolutely right about this and until someone in the government takes steps to fully and honestly investigate this crime, we have to assume it is a cover-up much like the twin towers and
    the Pennsylvania crashes. These events have cost all of us many lives, a war predicated upon falsehoods and lies, a degrading of our civil rights and basically a drop in the qualtiy of life we all work for."

    "tophuggles" - 9/11, an elaborate bank heist.
    The Bush family are well known for their obsession with personal wealth creation, we also know that the US economy was in dire straits what with the ENRON debacle and numerous corporate frauds and financial deregulations that allowed the economic wild west to take hold.

    While this feeding frenzy was going on, I believe certain criminal elements within the American government had their eyes on the largest stock pile of gold in the world in the vaults of World Trade Centre most of which owned by Kuwait. It seems that Kuwait has paid a second time for a second war in Iraq. You know that gold will never be officially recovered. Unofficially? Who knows?"

    "Mike" - 45 degree angle
    "One would think that the plane would bounce off the pentagon wall if it were to hit at a 45 degree angle. Like a bullet off a wall. Not disintegrate into it."

    "Angelo Kabadanis" - News Coverage Report on Pentagon
    "The first news story I can remember hearing was saying that "it was a van full of explosives that ran in to the side of the building". Then the stories about a plane hitting the Pentagon came rolling out after."

    "Spiculum - Kenites"
    "No, it's not the Satanic Islam (with their pervasive Qur'an) but their cousins, the Satanic Zionist Elite (with their pervasive Talmud), who were the ones behind 9/11 and many others."


    "DOGISMYTH" - COMMON SENSE
    "Its merely common sense that prevails. If you wish to become analytical and dissect the pentagon crash...so be it. But the facts are obvious. There are no screech marks or razing of the ground in front of the impact zone. Nothing... No remnants of airplane parts whatsoever. And if they plane
    were to pulverize, as some have postulated, then how does a pilot fly at 500mph or greater at close to zero altitude without grazing the ground and impacting the very bottom of the building? There is no need for analysis my dear people. The analyses are great in those situation when there is
    confusing or conflicting information. It is readily apparent, to me anyway, that no such event occurred with a 757, and certainly not a manned vehicle."

    "911Truth" - Keep up the good work
    "The Pentagon and WTC7 are the keys to this travesty. Keep asking questions - keep up the good work!"

    "Plague of Smiles" - light poles
    "You forgot the light pole debacle. The recovered black box has the plane coming in from the OTHER side of the Citgo station, which is what two cops and several other eyewitnesses said. That means the "plane" couldn't have possibly hit the light poles. So either the cops and witnesses are all paid liars and the black box data is 100% FAKE evidence OR the downed light poles are FAKE planted evidence and the cops and witnesses are telling the truth. You cannot have BOTH. One is a lie. The government is caught in a lie. Any video evidence would reveal the truth and reveal who is really lying. Either way, it IS a conspiracy, not a conspiracy theory but a real conspiracy."

    "Gary" - More Prof You Are Correct
    Watch this video, below and you have proof the official story is not true. So if the Pentagon hit is a lie, and Shanksville PA flight was a lie (no airplane to be seen, almost zero sign anything happened) what happened on 9/11?"

    http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/n sa.html

    Tony K
    How much gold bullion was present in either of the two tall buildings that collapsed? Or, how much gold SHOULD have been present that day? Where exactly, should the large gold deposit have been stored? Which companies stored it and which owned it? Was it insured? If so, was there a payout,
    and to who?
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    Tip of the Iceberg clues. zg
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    From: Conspiracy theory or hidden truth? The 9/11 enigmas...

    World Trade Center – Commonalities in all Three Building Destructions

    Complete Destruction Through the Path of Greatest Resistance

    NIST claims that the Twin Towers collapsed due to the plane impacts and fire, and that WTC 7 collapsed due to fire alone. However, note that the Twin Towers survived the plane impacts and the jet fuel burned off in the first 10 minutes. Beyond that, all we have are not very large office fires. Over 100 steel framed buildings have suffered major fires, many much worse, yet none have collapsed. All three buildings on 9/11 fell through what should have been the path of greatest resistance – thousands of tons of steel – resulting in total dismemberment. This would require precisely timed removal of critical columns, which office fires cannot accomplish. Furthermore, a small falling top section would destroy itself before it could destroy a larger, stronger, undamaged lower section of the building. The impossible collapse is a smoking gun.

    Molten Iron

    The temperatures of the fires present a problem for NIST's claim that fire alone was involved. The melting point of steel is about 2800° F. According to NIST's own documents, hydrocarbon fires (e.g., jet fuel and office furnishings) generate temperatures only up to about 2,000° F under ideal conditions. NIST recognizes these fires could not melt steel, so they had to postulate elaborate mechanisms that might trigger collapse due to weakened columns and sagging girders.

    Yet there is widespread evidence of molten iron in the rubble piles. Photos and numerous witnesses -- including fire fighters, cleanup crews, and structural engineers -- confirm the existence of several tons of molten metal under the debris. Some fire fighters described molten steel flowing like lava. Photos clearly reveal molten metal dripping as material is being lifted by excavation equipment.

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    Italy Ex-President -
    CIA And Mossad Ran 9-11

    By the Staff of American Free Press
    RENSE | 9-12-9




    Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera:
    "All the [intelligence services] of America and Europeknow well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part in Iraq [and] Afghanistan."
    Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992.

    Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and '80s. Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they termed "false flag" operations-terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition.

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    Default Cossiga Hoax BUSTED!

    To debunk the Alex Jones Francesco Cossiga "9/11 Inside Job" hoax, we refer rational readers to the James Randi Foundation, [JRF] forums:
    http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=100367
    "In Brief: This claim is based on a story published in an Italian newspaper Corriere Della Sera. But has the former Italian president really joined the truth movement? Not according to this translation:
    “As I’ve been told, tomorrow or the day after tomorrow (interview appeared on 30 november 07) the most important chain of newspaper of our country should give the proof, with an exceptional scoop, that the video (which in reality is an audio tape, NdR) in which appear Osama, leader of “the great and powerful movement of islamic revenge Al Quaeda” - God bless him! - and in which are formulated threats to our ex president Berlusconi, is nothing more than a fake realized inside Mediaset studios (the huge television group owned by Berlusconi) in Milan and sent to arabic television Al Jazeera.
    The trap was organized to create solidarity for Berlusconi, which is having lot of problem related for the tangle between RAI and Mediaset. From sources near to Palazzo Chigi, the nevralgic center of italian intelligence, we know that the video is fake because Osama admits that he was the mind behind the attacks against the twin towers, while all the democratic parties in Europe and USA know very well that the attack was organised by CIA and Mossad, whit the help of sionistic world, just to accuse arab countries and induce occident to intervein both in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is why nobody in parlament gave solidarity to Berlusconi, which is the author of the fake video" "
    It's apparent that Cossiga was being sarcastic about the perceived tendency of the fevered Italian Left to blame everything on Berlusconi, Americans and so-called "Zionist" bogeymen.
    But, Cossiga himself admits he is not a conspiracy theorist, see this article published in the Italian newspaper La Stampa.
    He affirms, "I refuse the conspiracy theory, which is a smart and sometimes sincere contrafaction of reality caused by the fear of that (reality)".
    And also: "Rembering how "open" american society is, I think it's very unlikely, I may say impossible, that 9/11 was an inside job".
    The conclusions are apparent and obvious:
    (1) Francesco Cossiga has a sense of humor
    (2) He like ourselves, enjoys taking pokes at unhinged, nutbar conspiracy cranks
    (3) Francesco Cossiga by his own empathic admission, definitely does not believe 9/11 was that tiresome cliche, "an inside job"
    (4) The hoax peddled by the Alex Jones front [site] is a deliberate, Yellow Journalistic, sensationalistic, Tabloid fabrication
    (5) Truther cultists are daft, lack a sense of humor; are ignorant and have no idea when they are being sent up, scorned, ridiculed and mocked
    (6) Ignorant conspiracy devotees frequently poleaxe themselves by not fact-checking and posting articles which, far from supporting their crazy conspiracy schemes, make fun of or, completely demolish their irrational fantasies
    In short, "hoax busted!" and another conspiracy fabrication bites the dust.
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    The Randi piece is disinfo. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    The Randi piece is disinfo. zg
    The Rense piece is disinfo. (A little edit of my own was in order. Aslan)
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    The Rense piece is disinfo. (A little edit of my own was in order. Aslan)
    One hit piece from Randi isn't much to hang a hat on... but scratch that for now.

    Here -



    Lawmaker takes 9/11 doubts global

    By JOHN SPIRI
    Special to The Japan Times

    In a September 2003 article for The Guardian newspaper, Michael Meacher, who served as Tony Blair's environment minister from May 1997 to June 2003, shocked the establishment by calling the global war on terrorism "bogus." Even more controversially, he implied that the U.S. government either allowed 9/11 to happen, or played some role in the destruction wrought that day. Besides Meacher, few politicians have publicly questioned America's official 9/11 narrative — until Diet member Yukihisa Fujita.


    Speaking out: Democratic Party of Japan lawmaker Yukihisa Fujita addresses the Diet and Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda on his doubts about the official story of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the U.S. COURTESY OF YUKIHISA FUJITA

    In January 2008 Fujita, a member of the Democratic Party of Japan, asked the Japanese Parliament and Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda to explain gaping holes in the official 9/11 story that various groups — including those who call themselves the "911 Truth Movement" — claim to have exposed.

    MORE- http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-b...0080617zg.html

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    This war on terrorism is bogus

    The 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its global domination

    Michael Meacher
    The Guardian,
    Saturday 6 September 2003 12.15 BST

    Massive attention has now been given - and rightly so - to the reasons why Britain went to war against Iraq. But far too little attention has focused on why the US went to war, and that throws light on British motives too. The conventional explanation is that after the Twin Towers were hit, retaliation against al-Qaida bases in Afghanistan was a natural first step in launching a global war against terrorism. Then, because Saddam Hussein was alleged by the US and UK governments to retain weapons of mass destruction, the war could be extended to Iraq as well. However this theory does not fit all the facts. The truth may be a great deal murkier.

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    Using the Amazing Randi to try to debunk anything is always good for a laugh.
    Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out just how far one can go.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shadroch View Post
    Using the Amazing Randi to try to debunk anything is always good for a laugh.
    I started to laugh, but then it made me sad. zg

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    It's my guess that this man knows a great deal about the initiation and execution of 9/11. I hope that before he passes on, he can be persuaded (by torture or waterboard) to reveal all he knows, for posterity. In particular, where he was on that day, what he was doing, and with whom. And his Zionist connections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shadroch View Post
    Using the Amazing Randi to try to debunk anything is always good for a laugh.
    Tally for Shadroch
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