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    Ten Things You're Not Supposed To
    Know About The Swine Flu Vaccine

    By Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
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    7-28-9

    She was deathly afraid of the flu.
    So she asked her doc what she should do.
    He jabbed her unseen
    With a swine flu vaccine
    Blurting, "Darling, I haven't a clue."
    - by the Health Ranger

    Let's not beat around the bush on this issue: The swine flu vaccines now being prepared for mass injection into infants, children, teens and adults have never been tested and won't be tested before the injections begin. In Europe, where flu vaccines are typically tested on hundreds (or thousands) of people before being unleashed on the masses, the European Medicines Agency is allowing companies to skip the testing process entirely.

    And yet, amazingly, people are lining up to take the vaccine, absent any safety testing whatsoever. When the National Institutes of Health in the U.S. announced a swine flu vaccine trial beginning in early August, it was inundated with phone calls and emails from people desperate to play the role of human guinea pigs. The power of fear to herd sheeple into vaccine injections is simply amazing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    You know, everyone questions the value of flu shots, yet there are fewer deaths attributable to flu because of the vaccines. Like everything else, there are pros and cons, but the pros seem to greatly outweigh the cons. Now, if I could be sure of building my natural immune system to the point of the flu being little threat, I guess I would opt for that, but as it stands, I am not that strong a specimen, especially while my body is under stress from losing weight, and I rely on the shot to protect me.
    Did you read a word sagefr0g wrote? That shot is gonna f*ck you up. F*ck you up baaad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelerus View Post
    Did you read a word sagefr0g wrote? That shot is gonna f*ck you up. F*ck you up baaad.
    I've never heard of anyone around here here getting a bad flu shot. Honestly. I've never heard of anyone getting a full blown case of the flu from a shot either. I have heard of some people becoming nauseous. But nothing to speak of. Nearly everyone I know gets a shot each year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    I've never heard of anyone around here here getting a bad flu shot. Honestly. I've never heard of anyone getting a full blown case of the flu from a shot either. I have heard of some people becoming nauseous. But nothing to speak of. Nearly everyone I know gets a shot each year.
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    a fellow co-worker, hard working, strong old guy, well he goes and gets the swine flu vaccine because he figures he's getting up there in age and maybe he could use the protection
    Not just any flu vaccine.

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    Default Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries

    Here's the link for the story..

    http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...-18-countries/


    Anyways, the story below happened towards the of last year. Baxter is also working on supplying us with vaccines for the Swine Flu. I wonder if Baxter will make another mistake and put Avian Flu in the vaccines again!!!!!



    Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries

    * Is Big Pharma trying to heal us or kill us ? Toronto Sun reports :

    The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses.

    And an official of the World Health Organization’s European operation said the body is closely monitoring the investigation into the events that took place at Baxter International’s research facility in Orth-Donau, Austria.

    “At this juncture we are confident in saying that public health and occupational risk is minimal at present,” medical officer Roberta Andraghetti said from Copenhagen, Denmark.

    “But what remains unanswered are the circumstances surrounding the incident in the Baxter facility in Orth-Donau.” The contaminated product, a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses and unlabelled H5N1 viruses, was supplied to an Austrian research company. The Austrian firm, Avir Green Hills Biotechnology, then sent portions of it to sub-contractors in the Czech Republic, Slovenia and Germany.

    The contamination incident, which is being investigated by the four European countries, came to light when the subcontractor in the Czech Republic inoculated ferrets with the product and they died. Ferrets shouldn’t die from exposure to human H3N2 flu viruses.

    Public health authorities concerned about what has been described as a “serious error” on Baxter’s part have assumed the death of the ferrets meant the H5N1 virus in the product was live. But the company, Baxter International Inc., has been parsimonious about the amount of information it has released about the event.

    On Friday, the company’s director of global bioscience communications confirmed what scientists have suspected. “It was live,” Christopher Bona said in an email.

    The contaminated product, which Baxter calls “experimental virus material,” was made at the Orth-Donau research facility. Baxter makes its flu vaccine — including a human H5N1 vaccine for which a licence is expected shortly — at a facility in the Czech Republic.

    People familiar with biosecurity rules are dismayed by evidence that human H3N2 and avian H5N1 viruses somehow co-mingled in the Orth-Donau facility. That is a dangerous practice that should not be allowed to happen, a number of experts insisted. Accidental release of a mixture of live H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could have resulted in dire consequences.

    While H5N1 doesn’t easily infect people, H3N2 viruses do. If someone exposed to a mixture of the two had been simultaneously infected with both strains, he or she could have served as an incubator for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people. That mixing process, called reassortment, is one of two ways pandemic viruses are created. There is no suggestion that happened because of this accident, however. “We have no evidence of any reassortment, that any reassortment may have occurred,” said Andraghetti.

    “And we have no evidence of any increased transmissibility of the viruses that were involved in the experiment with the ferrets in the Czech Republic.”

    Baxter hasn’t shed much light — at least not publicly — on how the accident happened. Earlier this week Bona called the mistake the result of a combination of “just the process itself, (and) technical and human error in this procedure.” He said he couldn’t reveal more information because it would give away proprietary information about Baxter’s production process.

    Andraghetti said Friday the four investigating governments are co-operating closely with the WHO and the European Centre for Disease Control in Stockholm, Sweden.

    “We are in very close contact with Austrian authorities to understand what the circumstances of the incident in their laboratory were,” she said.

    “And the reason for us wishing to know what has happened is to prevent similar events in the future and to share lessons that can be learned from this event with others to prevent similar events. … This is very important.”

    * Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor writes in Vaccines as Biological Weapons? Live Avian Flu Virus Placed in Baxter Vaccine Materials Sent to 18 Countries :

    Deerfield, Illinois-based pharmaceutical company Baxter International Inc. has just been caught shipping live avian flu viruses mixed with vaccine material to medical distributors in 18 countries. The “mistake” (if you can call it that, see below…) was discovered by the National Microbiology Laboratory in Canada. The World Health Organization was alerted and panic spread throughout the vaccine community as health experts asked the obvious question: How could this have happened?
    ……..
    Or, put another way, Baxter is acting a whole lot like a biological terrorism organization these days, sending deadly viral samples around the world. If you mail an envelope full of anthrax to your Senator, you get arrested as a terrorist. So why is Baxter — which mailed samples of a far more deadly viral strain to labs around the world — getting away with saying, essentially, “Oops?”But there’s a bigger question in all this: How could this company have accidentally mixed LIVE avian flu viruses (both H5N1 and H3N2, the human form) in this vaccine material?

    Was the viral contamination intentional?
    The shocking answer is that this couldn’t have been an accident. Why? Because Baxter International adheres to something called BSL3(Biosafety Level 3) – a set of laboratory safety protocols that prevent the cross-contamination of materials. As explained on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosaf…):


    “Laboratory personnel have specific training in handling pathogenic and potentially lethal agents, and are supervised by competent scientists who are experienced in working with these agents. This is considered a neutral or warm zone. All procedures involving the manipulation of infectious materials are conducted within biological safety cabinets or other physical containment devices, or by personnel wearing appropriate personal protective clothing and equipment. The laboratory has special engineering and design features.”

    * It is bad enough that governments all over the world have been warning about the likely pandemic flu. Now we find out we cannot trust Big Pharma to handle such bio-hazardous material in a safe manner.

    * Who knows whether it was intentional? But I sure would like to know what really happened? And I sure would like to see the people responsible fired!

    * Paul J. Watson adds in ‘Accidental’ Contamination Of Vaccine With Live Avian Flu Virus Virtually Impossible :

    Czech newspapers are questioning if the shocking discovery of vaccines contaminated with the deadly avian flu virus which were distributed to 18 countries by the American company Baxter were part of a conspiracy to provoke a pandemic.

    The claim holds weight because, according to the very laboratory protocols that are routine for vaccine makers, mixing a live virus biological weapon with vaccine material by accident is virtually impossible.


    “The company that released contaminated flu virus material from a plant in Austria confirmed Friday that the experimental product contained live H5N1 avian flu viruses,” reports the Canadian Press.

    Baxter flu vaccines contaminated with H5N1 – otherwise known as the human form of avian flu, one of the most deadly biological weapons on earth with a 60% kill rate – were received by labs in the Czech Republic, Germany, and Slovenia.

    Initially, Baxter attempted to stonewall questions by invoking “trade secrets” and refused to reveal how the vaccines were contaminated with H5N1. After increased pressure they then claimed that pure H5N1 batches were sent by accident. This was seemingly an attempt to quickly change the story and hide the fact that the accidental contamination of a vaccine with a deadly biological agent like avian flu is virtually impossible and the only way it could have happened was by wilful gross criminal negligence.
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    According to a compiled translation from Czech newspaper stories, the media over there is asking tough questions about whether the contamination was part of a deliberate attempt to start a pandemic.

    “Was this just a criminal negligence or it was an attempt to provoke pandemia using vaccination against flu to spread the disease – as happened with the anti-B hepatitis vaccination with vaccines containing the HIV virus in US? – and then cash for the vaccines against H5N1 which Baxter develops? How could on Earth a virus as H5N1 come to the ordinary flu vaccines? Don’t they follow even basic precautions in the american pharma companies?” states the translation.

    The fact that Baxter mixed the deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses is the smoking gun. The H5N1 virus on its own has killed hundreds of people, but it is less airborne and more restricted in the ease with which it can spread. However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which as everyone knows are super-airborne and easily spread, the effect is a potent, super-airbone, super deadly biological weapon.
    ….
    Spreading bird flu would create an instantaneous surge of demand for bird flu vaccines. The profits that vaccine companies such as Baxter International could reap out of such a panic are astronomical.


    In addition, as we have previously reported, those that have a stake in the Tamiflu vaccine include top globalists and BIlderberg members like George Shultz, Lodewijk J.R. de Vink and former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

    Authorities in both Europe and the U.S. have openly detailed plans for martial law, quarantine and internment should a bird flu pandemic occur.

    The other motivation, as we have exhaustively documented on this website for years, is the fact that elites throughout history have openly stated that they want to see a world population reduction of around 80 per cent. Shocking stories like this take the plausibility of that narrative out of the realms of conspiracy theory and into the dangerous reality of conspiracy fact.
    …..
    This is not the first time that vaccine companies have been caught distributing vaccines contaminated with deadly viruses. In 2006 it was revealed that Bayer Corporation had discovered that their injection drug, which was used by hemophiliacs, was contaminated with the HIV virus. Internal documents prove that after they positively knew that the drug was contaminated, they took it off the U.S. market only to dump it on the European, Asian and Latin American markets, knowingly exposing thousands, most of them children, to the live HIV virus. Government officials in France went to prison for allowing the drug to be distributed. The documents show that the FDA colluded with Bayer to cover-up the scandal and allowed the deadly drug to be distributed globally. No Bayer executives ever faced arrest or prosecution in the United States.
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    And just to add.. it's completely unbelievable that the above story was never reported on mainstream television channels

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    Quote Originally Posted by somtum View Post
    And just to add.. it's completely unbelievable that the above story was never reported on mainstream television channels
    But mainstream TV is Obama's friend!
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    But mainstream TV is Obama's friend!
    I assume that's a sarcastic remark. Our media is controlled by money... like almost everything else. One would think that our media is no longer being controlled when you see all the bashing of Obama that takes place on channels such as on Fox News in the USA but the hidden agenda is to create a more racist nation.

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    It's Official - WHO Says Flu
    Vax Should Be MANDATORY

    By Barbara Minton
    Natural Health Editor
    RENSE | 7-29-9

    (NaturalNews) -- Executives from Baxter, Novartis, Glaxo-Smith Kline, and Sanofi Pasteur have seats at the advisory group that on July 13th recommended mandatory H1N1 vaccination of everyone in all 194 countries that belong to the World Health Organization (WHO), according to a report just issued by journalist Jane Burgermeister. WHO spokesperson Alphaluck Bhatiasevi confirmed that Dr. Margaret Chan did not give the press briefing at WHO headquarters in Geneva as anticipated. At short notice, Dr. Marie-Paule Kieny stepped in to announce that "vaccines will be needed in all countries."

    According to WHO documents, vaccines "such as those that are formulated with oil-in-water adjuvants and live attenuated influenza vaccines are important." Health workers, pregnant women, healthy young adults of 15 to 49 years, and healthy children will be the targeted groups of the world wide vaccine effort.

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    The bird/swine flu is the very reason why I bought INO today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The bird/swine flu is the very reason why I bought INO today.
    Yeah, I heard they got all of the bugs out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by somtum View Post
    Here's the link for the story..

    http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com...-18-countries/


    Anyways, the story below happened towards the of last year. Baxter is also working on supplying us with vaccines for the Swine Flu. I wonder if Baxter will make another mistake and put Avian Flu in the vaccines again!!!!!
    Far more lives have been saved by flu vaccine than lost, including those who were seriously damaged by bad batches. But with any mass application, a catastrophe is always a possibility. That is why I don't like going to stadiums, riding subways or attending mass gatherings, like Fourth of July celebrations or concerts. I still believe that the risk of catastrophe is greater for those who do not get inoculated. One measure they should take is to test vaccines thoroughly prior to mass inoculation. I would hesitate taking any vaccine that is hurriedly put out on the market due to the appearance of some last minute virus. As in all things, common sense should prevail.
    Aslan 11/1/90 - 6/15/10 Stormy 1/22/95 -8/23/10
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