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    41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency
    Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11

    by Alan Miller

    Following in the footsteps of well over 1,000 scientists and other professional groups who have already gone on record questioning the official theory, more than 40 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency veterans have come forward to challenge the Government’s rendition of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Their behind-the-scenes knowledge and experience of sensitive and classified issues places them in a uniquely authoritative position. In this sense, their critical stance is all the more damning for the government. Conspicuously absent from the landscape are the mainstream media professionals, as they continue to provide cover for the government’s totally bankrupt theory and fail to report on landmark developments such as this.



    19 May 2009


    The Pentagon after the collapse of the impacted wall.

    Official Account of 9/11:“Terribly Flawed,” “Laced with Contradictions,” “a Joke,” “a Cover-up

    More than 40 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency veterans have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and most have called for a new investigation. It is outrageous that most Americans are entirely unaware of their publicly stated concerns — a direct result of the refusal of national print and broadcast news organizations to cover this extremely important issue. There is no denying the credibility of these individuals or their loyalty to their country as demonstrated by their years of service collecting and analyzing information and planning and carrying out operations critical to the national security of the United States.

    These 41 individuals formerly served in the U.S. State Department, the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Federal Aviation Administration, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the branches of the U.S. Military. They are listed below by their branch of service. [To read their individual statements and full complementary information, see attached document "Counterterrorism Veterans"].

    U.S. State Department

    Terrell E. Arnold, MA - Former Deputy Director of Counter- Terrorism and Emergency Planning, U.S. State Department. Mr. Arnold is a leading expert on terrorism and counter-terrorism and the author of several books on the subjects.

    Angelo Codevilla, PhD - Former U.S. State Department Foreign Service officer specializing in U.S. intelligence operations in Western Europe. Member of President-elect Ronald Reagan’s State Department transition team and principal author of the team’s report on intelligence. Former Staff Member, U.S. Senate Intelligence Committee dealing with oversight of the intelligence services 1977 - 1985. Former U.S. Navy officer. Currently Vice Chairman of the U.S. Army War College Board of Visitors.

    Edward Peck – Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs, U.S. State Department. He later served as Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under President Ronald Reagan. Mr. Peck, a 32-year veteran of the U.S. Foreign Service, also served as U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission in Iraq 1977 - 1980.

    National Security Agency

    Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski - A Pentagon eye-witness and a former member of the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency, Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret).

    Maj. John M. Newman, PhD - U.S. Army (ret). Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency.

    Central Intelligence Agency

    Raymond McGovern - A 27-year veteran of the CIA, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates during the 1970’s

    William Christison - A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis.

    Melvin Goodman, PhD - Former senior CIA official who served as Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs and Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004.

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    Then why doesn't Obama, who seems open to such theories of right wing conspiracies, step forward and reveal the truth. Oh, I know. Reverend Wright said it. He is under the control of his Jewish handlers. Gimme a break! That's why he's snubbing Netanyahu, too, I suppose??? His Jewish controllers are pro-Arab, and his Arab friends are pro-Israel. It's all becoming clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Then why doesn't Obama, who seems open to such theories of right wing conspiracies, step forward and reveal the truth. Oh, I know. Reverend Wright said it. He is under the control of his Jewish handlers. Gimme a break! That's why he's snubbing Netanyahu, too, I suppose??? His Jewish controllers are pro-Arab, and his Arab friends are pro-Israel. It's all becoming clear.
    'Jewish' as Wright uses the term is not synonimous with Israeli nor Zionist.
    Let us call Obama's bosses Illuminati. zg
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    These are brave patriots. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    'Jewish' as Wright uses the term is not synonimous with Israeli nor Zionist.
    Let us call Obama's bosses Illuminati. zg
    Naw, naw, naw. Wright later corrected his speech saying that he meant Zionists. az
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    Regardless, this is an impressive lineup of 9/11 Truthsters. zg

    Ps - Notice the Pentagon wall still standing, it didn't collapse untill several minutes after the "crash"

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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Regardless, this is an impressive lineup of 9/11 Truthsters. zg

    Ps - Notice the Pentagon wall still standing, it didn't collapse untill several minutes after the "crash"

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaghhhhhhhhhhhhh! If I hear one more 911 conspiracy theory I swear my head will explode in a thousand tiny pieces!!!!!!!!!
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    I don't think there is a single conspiracy theory ZG doesn't believe in :-P

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    LOOK at the image. Wake up!

    Are you two suggesting that the 41 ex Intel Officers are jerks? zg





    SIMPLE GEOMETRY TELLS THE TRUTH!

    Look to the evidence provided by elementary geometry. From the bottom of the 757 engines to the mid-line of the wing spar is right at ten feet. Add eight feet for the fence / cable-spool height & you have a wing impact at 18 feet - absolute MINIMUM! That assumes a one-inch clearance of the fence and/or cable spools. Any such impact would be on the second floor - IF there had been a 757!

    Whether thinking in terms of a high-wing or low-wing aircraft, the lack of forward-moving impact damage and basic geometry tells the same truth - no possible airplane!

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    THE EVIDENCE:
    One hole, 2 ½ yards in diameter
    Whatever hit the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 made a hole several meters wide in the front wall between the first and second floors. It emerged three blocks later, leaving behind a perfectly round hole of about 2 ½ yards in diameter.



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    So what the hell was it that hit there then, and ... what happened to the missing aircraft that did allegedly hit the Pentagon, if something else hit?
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    Lets not get ahead of ourselves - first thing is that the official 9/11 Pentagon story is false. Images prove it UNTIL a susceptible reader (think Thunder and Aslan) encounters some disinfo blog that expalins away just how easy it was for an entire jetliner to disintegrate and leave a mere 2.5 yard diameter hole on impact and an undisturbed lawn. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post


    41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency
    Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11

    by Alan Miller

    Following in the footsteps of well over 1,000 scientists and other professional groups who have already gone on record questioning the official theory, more than 40 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency veterans have come forward to challenge the Government’s rendition of the September 11, 2001 attacks.
    Just because a group of experts, minor by comparison to the number of experts that exist, are uncomfortable about the extent of the 911 investigation or whether every detail was followed up on to their personal satisfaction, does not point to a conclusion that anything occurred other than what the so called flawed report alleged. Sometimes further investigation is simply unnecessary due to the preponderance of evidence. Every detail, every loose end, need not be tied up to reach certain undeniable conclusions. To me it is just as likely that their perfectionism will yield nothing more of note to what already has been determined.

    And after all these years, no expert has been able to convince the majority of us that something critical was missed, and this speaks volumes. No, we are not asleep at the wheel, we are not the sheeple who blindly accept every word that drips from the lips of the government and its partner in crime, the media. We are people of intelligence who have witnessed the conspiracists over the years alleging everything imaginable will "scientific evidence" to support their claims, and we are justifiably put off by these constant claims of secret plots and nefarious plans by dastardly devils of the dark side. I'm sorry, zboyg, you have cried wolf one too many times.

    Sufficient unto the day the evil thereof, and sufficient unto the day the "real" evils and conspiracies without the addition of countless "manufactured" ones. I'm tired of entertaining paranoid imaginings and the mischievous and/or foolhardy and/or deliberately prefabricated scientific treatises on why the earth is about to end or we are being cheated out of our eye teeth or the aliens are coming.

    Chill, zg. Check out the Obama takeover of banks and car companies and coming soon, the healthcare industry. These things are happening right out in the open. No conspiracy. Just a bold and patent power grab. Forget about 911. We have more important things happening right in front of our eyes! Four years of this and people will say, "The United States of what?"

    Well-meaning fools or villainous powermongers, we are witnessing a major assault on our way of life by a handful of very powerful individuals. Strange that we can be so enthralled by what we can't see, and which may be totally fictitious, and virtually ignore what is happening all around us in plain sight and will affect us and our children for generations to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Lets not get ahead of ourselves - first thing is that the official 9/11 Pentagon story is false. Images prove it UNTIL a susceptible reader (think Thunder and Aslan) encounters some disinfo blog that expalins away just how easy it was for an entire jetliner to disintegrate and leave a mere 2.5 yard diameter hole on impact and an undisturbed lawn. zg
    Presumably, many of the metal pieces of two large jet engines would not have vaporized at the point of impact. Were any engine pieces found? And black boxes are seemingly designed to withstand much. Did they also vaporize?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Presumably, many of the metal pieces of two large jet engines would not have vaporized at the point of impact. Were any engine pieces found? And black boxes are seemingly designed to withstand much. Did they also vaporize?
    They found an engine and a wheel, some shreds of fusilage, little pieces were quickly picked up by hand, some covered against cameras, like the bubble-like windshield that looked like it was from a smaller military-type jet. No wreckage, no bodies/body parts. No damage or marks to the lawn (which was quickly covered with sand). The FBI confiscated every video in the surrounding area, never to show them.

    What appears to have happened is that a larger plane with a similar appearance to the jetliner flew in real close and then climbed quickly away as the other thing possibly came in right behind it to punch that 2.5 yard hole, if in fact it wasn't entirely from explosives already planted.

    Regardless of speculation, though, anyone can see from the photos that the Pentagon was NOT struck by the jetliner. zg
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