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    Quote Originally Posted by takinfromindians97 View Post
    thats ridiculous looks like its time to switch to selling meth and herion cokes out of the question.
    Dont judge me its hard to build a proper blackjack bankroll working the 9 to 5

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    "One heartless strategy would be to let the druggies have their fill and OD themselves to death, thus eliminating the problem. I wouldn't want to be responsible for that."

    Aslan, how are YOU responsible? Headline news in the local paper.---"THREE MORE SERIOUS DRUG ADDICTS DIED OF OVERDOSES YESTERDAY SO IT'S ASLANS' FAULT". Allow people to rule their own destiny (as long as it does not directly infringe upon anyone else in some way) without shoving our brand of morals down their throat whether they like it or not!

    People are not so dense as to not know substance abuse can possibly be bad for you and it's their choice should they decide to take unwarranted risks in that dept. There have been ongoing public educational as to the hazards of smoking, drinking, various other substance abuse for many years as part of the "war on drugs". My gosh Nancy Reagan up there with her "Just Say No" thing (meanwhile her doctor has her zoned out on prescription pills). Find me ONE PERSON that has not at some point read of heard some of the public awareness stuff about substance abuse.

    Lettuce....let's not leave out Californian lettuce of the official list of toxic and hazardous substances, that if ingested you can die from. I will be starting the "War on lettuce" soon. I will attain power and profit from this endeavor and talk of the evils of ecoli california lettuce and start a huge movement that will give competition to the "war on drugs".

    Life is full of risks and as individuals we have to be responsible for our actions in any given situation. Otherwise, just take away everyone's freedom to choose and a special group of nit wits can do it FOR them, taking away all personal freedoms! I mean hey, what the heck... let's prevent everyone from smoking, drinking, doing drugs as they are bad for you. Let's prevent anyone from eating lettuce from California as it may be bad for you. Let's prevent people from driving autos down the road as they are hazardous and possibly bad for you should you have an accident, make everyone WALK...SLOWLY... because if you walk too fast you may trip and this is bad for you. Let's disallow any and all gambling as this is potentially bad for you and you might lose. Oh hells bells...let's just take all of humanity and lock them in individual round rubber rooms with no sharp corners. Keep them there. Letting them out is risky and we will keep them there permanently for their own good! Allow them out of there and allow them any room to think on their own and they may do something stupid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Right. I think I got it. The dismal failure of the policy called War on Drugs began with Nixon and continued as a failure, right down through to GWB. With due regard to tradition, he continued to fail, for another 8 years. Will Obama continue the fail tradition, with War on Drugs?
    What do you think would happen if hard drugs are legalized?

    Possibility #1- We legalize drugs. They're sold openly in stores and ordinary people partake as a pleasurable habit. Workers congregate at the back doors of their office building smoking crack after their lunch break. A father buys his son a syringe and some heroin for his son on his 18th birthday, and they sit in their parlor and mainline that evening. Waitresses offer alcohol, snacks, and methamphetamine to patrons in casinos. We all live happily ever after.

    Possibility #2- We legalize drugs. They're sold openly in stores and ordinary people partake, first out of curiosity, but rapidly become addicted. The destruction and mayhem associated with drug dependency spreads to all corners of our land. The addicted at first can keep up with their habit but lose their jobs and become unemployable due to their sickness and resort to crime for their drug money just like addicts did before it was legalized. The drug sellers increase the price of the drugs due to the ever-increasing demand, just like storekeepers have always done with products in demand. Ultimately our economy crashes and our cities burn.

    Seriously, which do you think is closest to the most likely outcome? To deny #2 means to deny everything we know about the effects of drugs and about economics.

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    There are likely other possibilties, AutoMonkey. Alcohol is quite legal, has the potential to be quite devastating and addictive and is readily available. Common sense prevails and the entire population is not lined up at the liquor stores to empty the shelves so they can turn their brain into mush in a hurry and be non-functional.

    Alcohol is every bit as bad for you as many of the other illegal drugs but it is socially accepted to some extent and legal. There are problematic alcoholics out there with no self control, addicted to alcohol, etc. but this is an aberration and not the norm.

    Would I personally go do some sort of drugs or narcotics simply because they were legal? No, not at all. If I desired to do some sort of drug(s), I'm sure I could easily obtain them if I tried... the legality issue is not something that holds me back. It's just that doing drugs is not my thing is all. I doubt that the nucleus of sober, rational people that care about keeping their brains intact are going to suddenly turn into "druggies", destroying civilization as we know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzan View Post
    There are likely other possibilties, AutoMonkey. Alcohol is quite legal, has the potential to be quite devastating and addictive and is readily available. Common sense prevails and the entire population is not lined up at the liquor stores to empty the shelves so they can turn their brain into mush in a hurry and be non-functional.

    Alcohol is every bit as bad for you as many of the other illegal drugs but it is socially accepted to some extent and legal. There are problematic alcoholics out there with no self control, addicted to alcohol, etc. but this is an aberration and not the norm.

    Would I personally go do some sort of drugs or narcotics simply because they were legal? No, not at all. If I desired to do some sort of drug(s), I'm sure I could easily obtain them if I tried... the legality issue is not something that holds me back. It's just that doing drugs is not my thing is all. I doubt that the nucleus of sober, rational people that care about keeping their brains intact are going to suddenly turn into "druggies", destroying civilization as we know it.
    Only 10% of drinkers become addicts, or alcoholics as we call them. I believe the risk of addiction for hard drugs is much higher, perhaps approaching 100% for heroin users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic Monkey View Post
    What do you think would happen if hard drugs are legalized?

    Possibility #1- We legalize drugs. They're sold openly in stores and ordinary people partake as a pleasurable habit. Workers congregate at the back doors of their office building smoking crack after their lunch break. A father buys his son a syringe and some heroin for his son on his 18th birthday, and they sit in their parlor and mainline that evening. Waitresses offer alcohol, snacks, and methamphetamine to patrons in casinos. We all live happily ever after.

    Possibility #2- We legalize drugs. They're sold openly in stores and ordinary people partake, first out of curiosity, but rapidly become addicted. The destruction and mayhem associated with drug dependency spreads to all corners of our land. The addicted at first can keep up with their habit but lose their jobs and become unemployable due to their sickness and resort to crime for their drug money just like addicts did before it was legalized. The drug sellers increase the price of the drugs due to the ever-increasing demand, just like storekeepers have always done with products in demand. Ultimately our economy crashes and our cities burn.

    Seriously, which do you think is closest to the most likely outcome? To deny #2 means to deny everything we know about the effects of drugs and about economics.
    We have pretty much similar problems as the US, without as much of the crack. "Ice" has quickly become a big menace here in recent years; mainly from Asia. Ecstacy ("recreational" drug) continues to be the big one for parties and night spots, at anywhere between $20 and $50 a tablet. (Trouble with ecstacy is every crooked chemist and his grotty pals started making the stuff in their kitchens so as to get rich quick. Some of these people are not too particular about what is in the next batch...)

    Good old pot is as popular as ever and remains as easy to get as milk from the corner store. Except the THC content is much higher nowadays than when I bonged away in the 80s. (But I didn't inhale. Believe me? Me neither. Apologies to Bill C.)

    This Federal Government here has also been a dismal failure with this drug problem, no matter who was in power, for decades. Despite bandaid measures, very little has had much effect on drug availability. All drugs. Sometimes heroin dries up for while after a big bust or two. Last year some international airport baggage handlers got busted helping 20-pound hauls of cocaine in personal luggage get through customs unimpeded. It was sourced from Argentina. Some well-known, respectable and cashed-up local businessmen are now doing some hard time, along with quite a few mules and gofers. Tough titty.

    Government control is never going to work as far as the individual is concerned, now is it? US, Australian and UK governments have all proved that, beyond any doubt. An individual motivated to buy drugs, and he has cash, will score, no problem. Now if we hold the drug thing at an individual level, and we ask an individual: "Why do you want drugs, man?", then we see that age-old human dilemma in the answer: "I want to feel better."
    Why do you want to feel better? "What a dumb-arsed question. Don't YOU want to feel better?" Yep. Sure do. When I have a few beers on my way home from work, that is gonna help me relax and unwind. "Yeah, well I wanna feel better, even more, and longer!"

    Humans have always wanted to feel better. Sex drugs rock n roll. As time rolls on, general stress levels in societies have climbed. Now there seems to be more world-wide stress than at any time since world war 2 days, due to the international bleak economic outlook. It is no coincidence that the price of cocaine is low at the moment. Low enough to attract a whole lot more future customers. Governments can only stop some. The bulk gets to market. Fact of life for War on Drugs. War ain't the answer. 3 million in jail, and growing? That is the solution? Bullshit.

    I can understand what motivates someone to want to feel better. Matter of fact I wouldn't mind something right now. But not pot. I did too much of that and my memory is not what it was because of that. Something natural, with no side effects and is non-addictive. Used in ancient tribal religious ceremonies. Helps the mind access different realms and explore different realities. Nothing wrong with that is there? Can you think of a drug. Yep. Mescaline. From a cactus. Hope I don't get busted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Only 10% of drinkers become addicts, or alcoholics as we call them. I believe the risk of addiction for hard drugs is much higher, perhaps approaching 100% for heroin users.
    That's exactly the problem. Sure, alcohol can be addictive and destructive but most people will not get addicted to it, and an alcoholic can function that way for a long time before he crashes. You probably meet practicing alcoholics every day as well as 12-steppers who have been addicted and quit and are now just fine. And being the majority of alcohol purchasers are non-addicts who will refuse to buy it if it's too expensive, that keeps the price reasonable.

    On the other hand almost everyone who tries crack, heroin, meth and similar drugs will become addicted after repeated use and you can't function for very long in that state. How'd you like to work alongside a crackhead? All the social problems caused by addiction will still exist, just among many more people if it is legalized and readily available to those who aren't already in the ghetto. It's not reasonable to say "Well alcohol is a drug too, we already tried banning alcohol" because alcohol is not crack and it's not heroin. The substances have different properties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Only 10% of drinkers become addicts, or alcoholics as we call them. I believe the risk of addiction for hard drugs is much higher, perhaps approaching 100% for heroin users.
    I don't have citations, but with a background in criminal justice, i recall hearing that after 3 uses of crack/cocaine one can become dependent; for heroin and meth one can become addicted in as little as ONE use.
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    Sorry guys - far too many words and profound thoughts on this one.

    If a line of charlie is cheaper than a pint of lager, I want to know where the guy that wrote that $#ite goes drinking? Probably some up market watering hole for crusty old hacks in the West End of London, where a tenner a pint is accepted. Back in the real world (the pubs in the highstreet), where beer tends to be, for many reasons, still obscenely overpriced I can't ever imagine cocaine become cheaper than beer or wine. Reason? The first can be bought legally, the second can't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newb99 View Post
    Sorry guys - far too many words and profound thoughts on this one.

    If a line of charlie is cheaper than a pint of lager, I want to know where the guy that wrote that $#ite goes drinking? Probably some up market watering hole for crusty old hacks in the West End of London, where a tenner a pint is accepted. Back in the real world (the pubs in the highstreet), where beer tends to be, for many reasons, still obscenely overpriced I can't ever imagine cocaine become cheaper than beer or wine. Reason? The first can be bought legally, the second can't.
    I've got some really good H. I'll let you have the first two hits for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by newb99 View Post
    Sorry guys - far too many words and profound thoughts on this one.

    If a line of charlie is cheaper than a pint of lager, I want to know where the guy that wrote that $#ite goes drinking? Probably some up market watering hole for crusty old hacks in the West End of London, where a tenner a pint is accepted. Back in the real world (the pubs in the highstreet), where beer tends to be, for many reasons, still obscenely overpriced I can't ever imagine cocaine become cheaper than beer or wine. Reason? The first can be bought legally, the second can't.
    Not the case- that is an economic fallacy that alcohol is cheaper than hard drugs because alcohol is legal.

    Hard drugs are more expensive because the addicts are willing to prostitute themselves or trade you a knife wound for your wallet in order to get them. No matter how legal a product becomes, the price will always increase to what the market can bear, and if the addicts can bear the high price of coke now they will be able to bear it if its legal. There are alcohol addicts who would do the same things if they had to, but being a barkeep cannot support himself just on the business of addicts the price has to be kept reasonable so that the ordinary patrons will visit too.

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    Well . . . . when the streetprice of coke falls consistently below that of a pint I'll go boil my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Possibly, but I keep remembering the streets filled with needles when I visited Zurich, I think it was Zurich, back in 1965. One heartless strategy would be to let the druggies have their fill and OD themselves to death, thus eliminating the problem. I wouldn't want to be responsible for that. Another scenario would be to fill thousands of treatment centers for drug addicts. Lastly, I guess you could require a physician's (or paid professional's) prescription, monitoring and dosage control. I don't think you will find that the majority of drug users would use them responsibly as you lead us to believe that you yourself do. The result might be more burden on the state than when attempts at control were employed. But at least, the criminal aspect would be eliminated, which is a large burden on the state. Without a full appreciation of the problem on my part , it looks like you are probably correct, that is, legalization and let adults decide for themselves what risks to expose their own minds and bodies to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    I've got some really good H. I'll let you have the first two hits for free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ace157 View Post
    I don't have citations, but with a background in criminal justice, i recall hearing that after 3 uses of crack/cocaine one can become dependent; for heroin and meth one can become addicted in as little as ONE use.
    You don't have citations because the same myths are presented in criminal justice classes as DARE uses to scare kids from drugs.

    I'm not saying using recreational drugs are a good idea, but many people do use them on a very occasional basis for very long periods .. even crack and heroin. Some people OTOH know they're hooked the first time they try. It's about the person, not the drug. Most recovered alcoholics wil tell you they were hooked with the first drink.

    Using them you ARE taking a big risk that: 1) You might me the one who gets easily addicted, 2) it might kill you .. even the first time, and 3) you never know what's really know what your getting. Speed is cut with rat poision, PCP is passed off as EX.

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