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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    How about we get back on track mate, before they call the police. Here is my lead. 1 Is god dead, like some philo said long ago? 2 If so, who killed her? 3 Does god take sides? 4 Did he/she have anything to do with the Asian tsunami that killed +300,000 people? 5 Did he/she have anything to do with the bushfires that killed 201 people down here last week?
    1- For many, yes.
    2- Many.
    3- Yes.
    4- No.
    5- No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Truly a non-answer, Kat. More than obscure. I'm glad he didn't go for the snide answer.

    BTW, Kat, do you remember who said “I have spent the best years of my life giving people the lighter pleasures, helping them have a good time, and all I get is abuse, the existence of a hunted man.”
    I'm glad you asked that, Aslan. Matter of fact I was just thinking the same thing. Talk about synchronicity! I know the answer without Google. The answer is
    Richard Nixon, Hugh Hefner and Billy the Kid. (I'm allowed 3 guesses.) Do I have to pay tax on these winnings as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    1- For many, yes.
    2- Many.
    3- Yes.
    4- No.
    5- No.
    In case you forgot already, this is a philosophy thread. If the extent and depth of your philosophical discussions is summed up by these words: 'Yes No For Many' then I don't want to be on your debate team. That would be one man down for starters.
    This brief post of yours is quite rare. It probably knocked your words-per-post average down from 6,568 to 6,559. I put it in my vault for future use. There, I can be snider. Not snyder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    I'm glad you asked that, Aslan. Matter of fact I was just thinking the same thing. Talk about synchronicity! I know the answer without Google. The answer is
    Richard Nixon, Hugh Hefner and Billy the Kid. (I'm allowed 3 guesses.) Do I have to pay tax on these winnings as well?
    How did you guess?!! No. Dummy, tell the truth. You are too funny!
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    The tsunami that killed 300,000 people on Christmas day a few years ago may have been a message from her katweezal. I found it very strange that one of the hardest hit places was the hot bed for child sex. Is it just coincedence or a warning to the area to clean up or she wil clean it up her way. blackchipjim
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    I was wondering why people refer to the higher power as a she unless thier religion preaches this. My own religion states his is the father and I accept this as a part of my faith. This is more of a theology discussion than a philosophy one. My philosophy in life is not a true guideline in how to live one's life but my relegion's theology may well be. This could well be one of the longest and most draw out thread in this site's history if properlly run. blackchipjim
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackchipjim View Post
    I was wondering why people refer to the higher power as a she unless thier religion preaches this. My own religion states his is the father and I accept this as a part of my faith. This is more of a theology discussion than a philosophy one. My philosophy in life is not a true guideline in how to live one's life but my relegion's theology may well be. This could well be one of the longest and most draw out thread in this site's history if properlly run. blackchipjim
    i'm actually studying htis a bit now. Historically speaking in Christianity, the pronouns used to sdescribe God have been given a male dominnance. Feminist theologians are not always infavor of a feminist God, but sometimes simply a non-gender-specific God.

    I started the thread, but an exec member should make it an entirely different category so we can post threads inside of it since the category is so broad. I never expected it to take off like this
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    Quote Originally Posted by ace157 View Post
    i'm actually studying htis a bit now. Historically speaking in Christianity, the pronouns used to sdescribe God have been given a male dominnance. Feminist theologians are not always infavor of a feminist God, but sometimes simply a non-gender-specific God.

    I started the thread, but an exec member should make it an entirely different category so we can post threads inside of it since the category is so broad. I never expected it to take off like this
    Jesus referred to God as Father. I don't think it had anything to do with gender, since God is a spirit being, and spirit beings are generally considered neither male nor female. I believe it does demonstrate the relationship between man and God. He is like a Father and we are like His sons and daughters. In reality, He has all the masculine and all the feminine qualities of character, powerful and gentle, just and merciful, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ace157 View Post
    i'm actually studying htis a bit now. Historically speaking in Christianity, the pronouns used to sdescribe God have been given a male dominnance. Feminist theologians are not always infavor of a feminist God, but sometimes simply a non-gender-specific God.
    From my understanding of Christian philosophy there is no distinction between men and women, that’s just a biological and cultural distinction. According to the bible God did not create men and women separately, God created Adam, and Eve was created from Adam’s rib. Therefore both men and women are part of the same thing.

    In terms of linguistics, “she” is a gender specific pronoun, but “he” is not because when the gender is unknown or contains both you use the word “he.” It’s the same idea between “mankind” and “womankind.” “Womankind” refers specifically to woman but “mankind” refers to everyone. It’s very unlikely that anyone would refer to God as “she” not due to cultural bias but because that would philosophically contradict Christianity and limit God to a gender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guynoire View Post
    From my understanding of Christian philosophy there is no distinction between men and women, that’s just a biological and cultural distinction. According to the bible God did not create men and women separately, God created Adam, and Eve was created from Adam’s rib. Therefore both men and women are part of the same thing.

    In terms of linguistics, “she” is a gender specific pronoun, but “he” is not because when the gender is unknown or contains both you use the word “he.” It’s the same idea between “mankind” and “womankind.” “Womankind” refers specifically to woman but “mankind” refers to everyone. It’s very unlikely that anyone would refer to God as “she” not due to cultural bias but because that would philosophically contradict Christianity and limit God to a gender.
    There does seem to be a role difference in the Christian concept of man and woman. Paul instructed women to obey their husbands, but in turn he instructed men to love their wives, even to love them as their own bodies. There seems to be as certain equality, and yet a difference in roles. Also, Jesus chose only men for the role of leadership in his following, although he was very close to certain women, His Mother, Mary Magdalene, and the sisters, Mary and Martha. It is said, maybe only theorized, that Mary, His Mother, had a major role in leadership of the early church, but not in an official capacity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guynoire View Post
    From my understanding of Christian philosophy there is no distinction between men and women, that’s just a biological and cultural distinction. According to the bible God did not create men and women separately, God created Adam, and Eve was created from Adam’s rib. Therefore both men and women are part of the same thing.

    In terms of linguistics, “she” is a gender specific pronoun, but “he” is not because when the gender is unknown or contains both you use the word “he.” It’s the same idea between “mankind” and “womankind.” “Womankind” refers specifically to woman but “mankind” refers to everyone. It’s very unlikely that anyone would refer to God as “she” not due to cultural bias but because that would philosophically contradict Christianity and limit God to a gender.
    "According to the bible..." ,those ominous words make it the absolute truth, don't they... So god created adam, and THEN, as an afterthought, he created another being for adam to play around with, one who would OBEY him (and cook his meals, give sex and clean up his mess, right?)
    God chose adam's rib, instead of his jawbone or arsebone. Uneducated women have been putting up with this christian sexist nonsense for centuries.

    Imagine if god had created Eve first, then, as an afterthought, created adam second. Would that make YOU feel a little second-rate, if you swallowed this nonsense? god as the "father" in that Jewish book called the bible, might have been OK for Jews wandering around looking for their chosen land that a racist god had promised them, but in this day and age of priestly paedophilia, rampant child abuse and child pornography, the term 'Father' for some, brings up feelings of hatred, fear, loathing and despair. In this regard, "Mother" may well be a safer bet than the tired old Jewish model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackchipjim View Post
    The tsunami that killed 300,000 people on Christmas day a few years ago may have been a message from her katweezal. I found it very strange that one of the hardest hit places was the hot bed for child sex. Is it just coincedence or a warning to the area to clean up or she wil clean it up her way. blackchipjim
    BCJim, I think you may be referring to The Phillipines, which is a catholic country to the East of the Indonesian Islamic province of Aceh, which took the most tsunami casualties. The Phillipines suffered no effects from the killer tsunami.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    "According to the bible..." ,those ominous words make it the absolute truth, don't they... So god created adam, and THEN, as an afterthought, he created another being for adam to play around with, one who would OBEY him (and cook his meals, give sex and clean up his mess, right?)
    God chose adam's rib, instead of his jawbone or arsebone. Uneducated women have been putting up with this christian sexist nonsense for centuries.

    Imagine if god had created Eve first, then, as an afterthought, created adam second. Would that make YOU feel a little second-rate, if you swallowed this nonsense? god as the "father" in that Jewish book called the bible, might have been OK for Jews wandering around looking for their chosen land that a racist god had promised them, but in this day and age of priestly paedophilia, rampant child abuse and child pornography, the term 'Father' for some, brings up feelings of hatred, fear, loathing and despair. In this regard, "Mother" may well be a safer bet than the tired old Jewish model.
    Woman is the crowning glory of God's creation. Where did you get the misconception that she is somehow second class? Surely, not from the Bible. haha You slay me, Katwhiskers. Do you suppose that everyone has your same distorted view of Christianity?

    A very small percentage of priests are involved in pedophilia (2% to 5%), a disgrace to be sure, but better than the percentage of original apostles who betrayed Jesus Christ (2/12=16.7%). The rate of pedophilia for clergy of other religions is the same as for priests, between 2% and 5%. The rate of pedophilia in the general population is 8%.
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    My opinion would be God is what your religion says he is. Although I enjoy many types of philosphies I must admit I am a Christian and proudly so. According to my understanding of the Bible Jesus refers to his father as he. I am not a scholar in ancient Greek or Aramaic but I think he says father in those languages as well. That leads me to believe as someone has previously posted that he refers to God as his father and our father but not necessarily as male. However, to me, this certainly rules out God as a she. Now if you do not believe Christian dogma, certainly you can have a different opinion on this.

    As to females being offended by this and some people's interpretation of women in the Bible my opinion would be to take it up with Paul. You either believe he was God's messenger or not. If you don't believe it, why do you care? If you do believe it then accept it as what it is. Personally I do not think it demeans women at all. There are seperate roles for women and men but equally important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vingtetun View Post
    My opinion would be God is what your religion says he is. Although I enjoy many types of philosphies I must admit I am a Christian and proudly so. According to my understanding of the Bible Jesus refers to his father as he. I am not a scholar in ancient Greek or Aramaic but I think he says father in those languages as well. That leads me to believe as someone has previously posted that he refers to God as his father and our father but not necessarily as male. However, to me, this certainly rules out God as a she. Now if you do not believe Christian dogma, certainly you can have a different opinion on this.

    As to females being offended by this and some people's interpretation of women in the Bible my opinion would be to take it up with Paul. You either believe he was God's messenger or not. If you don't believe it, why do you care? If you do believe it then accept it as what it is. Personally I do not think it demeans women at all. There are seperate roles for women and men but equally important.

    I will now accept posts calling me a neanderthal.
    You are no neanderthal. I think what you said makes perfect sense.
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