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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Yes, the EGO is like that - it recoils from infinity and its dissolution.

    But even from your last comment it is clear that the damn has cracked...

    ...and soon someone will yell ... T I M B E R ! ! zg
    Your spelling of dam is of course no coincidence. I certainly would be if I were to follow your advice. Thankfully I have more sense than that. The only sound of "Timber" is from those watching you as you pretend to be standing tall in your illusions when all around you can see the insanity of it all. Your ego denial is in effect chopping your own tree down. There is no need for a zen zone to assist you in the process. Like the proverbial atheist skydiving through life without a parachute, "Wow, what a ride!" True, at least up to the very end. Splat!
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    Hooboy, you guys are having some heavy fun here, are you not. Hope I am not intruding.

    There is abounding a lot of cliches, some Latin, some Spanish is it, biblical quotes, even blue larger print. Your discussion seems to be reaching a...climactic climax.
    After many years of occasional research, I reached the conclusion that there is huge doubt that there ever existed a man the christians revere as Jesus Christ. Fact is, there is not one single shred of physical evidence that such a character did exist, despite Mel Gibson's opinion.

    As for what he is alleged to have said - if he ever did exist - was apparently, if you can believe this one too, finally written down what may have been decades after he allegedly said it. Well now, can you remember exactly what you, or anyone else said, this time last year? Yesterday? Write it down now, exactly word for word.

    A huge business has been built and thrives on the myth. I choose not to believe in myths, nor fairy tales, (but I continue to believe in my childhood fairies. But that's another story.)

    Also as for the bible, hmmm, a quick glance at that stuff, should be enough for any reasonably-intelligent parent to keep their children, (or any child) from reading it. It's scary for a child mind. That's because it's dominated by the main character, a male maniac, called 'God', who has his favorite people, his favorite country and his favorite enemies. (You still with me on this?) It gets better.

    This 'thing' called God, is childish to the extreme. 'He' hates women. He is angry. Very angry. He especially hates 'sinners'. He is vengeful, wrathful, demanding, unforgiving, genocidal, homicidal, patriachal, sexist AND he thinks that incest is OK. (see what Lot does after the homicidal maniac nukes Sodom and Gomorrah. And that's the good stuff!)

    Now, does this sound like the kind of 'God' anyone in their right mind would put up with, let alone choose, once it's agenda is exposed?

    So, I think we need to be very, very careful when we use the term, 'God.' Whose god, the christian one? No thanks. Which God? How many are there?
    (The Egyptians had over 2,000 gods, including dung beetle, cat and jackal. Those were a big improvement on the christian one!)

    Deepak Chopra (a Siddha Yoga devotee) and highly-acclaimed author, has said the Universe is one vast energy field where all is connected. (Now this is interesting because here is a clue concerning many gambling mysteries!) Chopra has some very interesting ideas.

    I go with this ancient (teachings of Abraham) idea, which involves no religious data, no personality-cults, no rituals, no witchcraft, runes, knuckle-bones, gods or smoke. No hate, devils nor superstitions. No killings.

    There is a force, an energy that makes up the Universe. Everything is composed of this same energy. There is only ONE energy. There is only high-frequency energy, or lower-than high. I choose my energy level with my consistent and persistent thoughts.

    This energy is called 'Wellbeing' and the more I focus on it with my thoughts, the more of it flows through me and my life, and the more like it's intrinsic Essence I become. I cannot stop the flow of it to me, I can only pinch it off and restrict its flow by my own resistance.

    In a nutshell, that is a Teaching of Abraham. Namaste, guys and Wellbeing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Hooboy, you guys are having some heavy fun here, are you not. Hope I am not intruding.

    There is abounding a lot of cliches, some Latin, some Spanish is it, biblical quotes, even blue larger print. Your discussion seems to be reaching a...climactic climax.
    After many years of occasional research, I reached the conclusion that there is huge doubt that there ever existed a man the christians revere as Jesus Christ. Fact is, there is not one single shred of physical evidence that such a character did exist, despite Mel Gibson's opinion.

    As for what he is alleged to have said - if he ever did exist - was apparently, if you can believe this one too, finally written down what may have been decades after he allegedly said it. Well now, can you remember exactly what you, or anyone else said, this time last year? Yesterday? Write it down now, exactly word for word.

    A huge business has been built and thrives on the myth. I choose not to believe in myths, nor fairy tales, (but I continue to believe in my childhood fairies. But that's another story.)

    Also as for the bible, hmmm, a quick glance at that stuff, should be enough for any reasonably-intelligent parent to keep their children, (or any child) from reading it. It's scary for a child mind. That's because it's dominated by the main character, a male maniac, called 'God', who has his favorite people, his favorite country and his favorite enemies. (You still with me on this?) It gets better.

    This 'thing' called God, is childish to the extreme. 'He' hates women. He is angry. Very angry. He especially hates 'sinners'. He is vengeful, wrathful, demanding, unforgiving, genocidal, homicidal, patriachal, sexist AND he thinks that incest is OK. (see what Lot does after the homicidal maniac nukes Sodom and Gomorrah. And that's the good stuff!)

    Now, does this sound like the kind of 'God' anyone in their right mind would put up with, let alone choose, once it's agenda is exposed?

    So, I think we need to be very, very careful when we use the term, 'God.' Whose god, the christian one? No thanks. Which God? How many are there?
    (The Egyptians had over 2,000 gods, including dung beetle, cat and jackal. Those were a big improvement on the christian one!)

    Deepak Chopra (a Siddha Yoga devotee) and highly-acclaimed author, has said the Universe is one vast energy field where all is connected. (Now this is interesting because here is a clue concerning many gambling mysteries!) Chopra has some very interesting ideas.

    I go with this ancient (teachings of Abraham) idea, which involves no religious data, no personality-cults, no rituals, no witchcraft, runes, knuckle-bones, gods or smoke. No hate, devils nor superstitions. No killings.

    There is a force, an energy that makes up the Universe. Everything is composed of this same energy. There is only ONE energy. There is only high-frequency energy, or lower-than high. I choose my energy level with my consistent and persistent thoughts.

    This energy is called 'Wellbeing' and the more I focus on it with my thoughts, the more of it flows through me and my life, and the more like it's intrinsic Essence I become. I cannot stop the flow of it to me, I can only pinch it off and restrict its flow by my own resistance.

    In a nutshell, that is a Teaching of Abraham. Namaste, guys and Wellbeing

    Wow! You have given this such immense thought to have overcome 2.000 years of research and evaluation by thousands of highly educated scholars and language, history and other specialists, and millions upon millions of what were once thought to be reasonably-intelligent human beings, to have convincingly and forevermore dispelled these foolish myths with a few strokes of your mighty pen in six small paragraphs. I think we have been visited! Yes, the visitation is upon us! Please reveal yourself, oh mighty one, brother of our own zengrifter. Run, do not walk, to the thread on "whether we have become a fascist nation" and vote, "Yes." What this has to do with anything will become immensely clear over time.

    You do make a good case for a casual and barely informed observer. It does not occur to many that these myth-like stories were both written down by the tellers in notes and letters, and carefully detailed in the daily telling among disciples during the early days of the church. These details were so important to the early Christians that it is hard to imagine that they did not reduce anything to writing, if they had the means, and certainly, Paul, the writer of many letters contained in the Scriptures did just that, including his knowledge obtained from meeting and conversing with the eyewitnesses themselves. Written notes no doubt abounded in those early days as well as memorized details that met the test of retelling before others with the same knowledge and against the teachings of the eyewitnesses themselves who were among their numbers. I got this far, and I am just a casual observer myself. Hmmmm! Methinks thou might just have a hidden agenda.

    Among your physical evdience, please do not dismiss the written testimony of eye witnesses, however long was their formal writing from the time of their original observations. and also the corroboration of the non-Christian historian, Josephus, who happened to pen a few lines about the man called Jesus. To dismiss all as myth and fairy tale, long before it became a business, seems unworthy of such a mind as yours. In fact, in those early days of Christianity, say what you will, it was a life-threatening occupation to being a follower of the Christian myth. As for the money in it, there is evidence that the early followers gave all they had to the aid of the less fortunate, and that their top leader, Paul, refused any remuneration whatsoever, plying his trade as a tentmaker to make ends meet.

    All those seemingly horrible things that you glibly attribute to God, and which millions before you must have somehow missed in their attempts to interpret the meaning of the Book, may not all be untrue. Have you ever stopped to think what an all powerful, all knowing, all just, all perfect God might actually be like if one existed? I doubt it would be like the fairy tales of love and sweetness that the modern day myth weavers that you mention conjure up. No, I doubt an adult version of God would be namby pamby entity with sweetness and love dripping frpm His lips.

    He gave man free will. Now that was a singular act for an all powerful God. He must have known that men with free will would wreak havoc on this tiny planet, yet He did it anyway. Hmmm! What was He thinking. Instead of a perfect world where we all acted like automatons, he let us have one of our own making with war, hatred, murder, thievery, lust, jealousy, and all manner of evil open to us for the taking. What kind of God is that? Heck, I like it so far. But did you think the All Just one would let us get away with some of our freely chosen ways? Do you think He might in reality be the most horrible and ugly monster imaginable if you were to get on His wrong side. Perhaps the Scriptures do not do His wrathful side justice. I imagine He might just be your worst nightmare if you chose to get on His wrong side. I know I would be if I were Him. "Hey man! I gave you the best gift ever, free will, with which you could be just like Me in that you could chosse to do whatever you want. And what do you do? You little pipsqueak! I should have fashioned you ugly and comical with large, floppy elephant ears and giant eyeballs bulging from your forehead, and arms that drag along the ground, you conniving rotten little bastard! Mess up my creation, will you, you deranged, selfish little twerp! I'll send you a little taste of evil that will boggle your imagination. I have no patience with the likes of you."

    Yup! Good thing I'm not God. There would be a little more order here. "Screw your free will. Bad idea for the most part. Causes chaos, and then they turn around and blame me, of all things! Like I wanted all this evil human crap to happen! Amazing these gerbels I call humans. I should have stopped with the animal kingdom--they make a hell of a lot mre sense! Hey, there's an idea--Hell! Why dodn't I think of that before. They deserve worse, but eternal punishment is not a bad idea for the recalcitrant ones. Do they think I will let them jerk me around, play on my sympathies, make me into a fool for their ridiculous little games? Naw! I have plans for them that will warm their evil little hearts. And do I mean warm!"

    Yup, if I were God, you would see a lot more of my horrific side.

    "Now here's a guy who says I'm not the the kind of 'God' anyone in their right mind would put up with, let alone choose. He doesn't like my agenda. Well, sh*t on him. He's just going to find another God more to his liking. Have I got news for him!! lol You don't create God, I create you. You llttle nitwit. Do you think I am going to cry all over my pablum soaked bib because you don't like me? You can try to create your own God in your own image and likeness, but you'll have to deal with me just the same, you creepy little punk ass vomit smelling little ferret. Get the hell out of my sight--you're messing up what was going to be a great day. Why oh why did I ever think it was a good idea to share my beautiful creation with the likes of you!!!! WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

    Scientists have detected a sound they say seems to emanate from the point thought to be the origin of the universe, It sounds strangely, though muffled, like the word, "Why." Scientists are baffled as they try to figure out what this might mean. In other developments NASA........................

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    Double wow, Yep, ya got me. I do have a hidden agenda. In an Inquisition, I was burned at the stake for expressing views that opposed those of The Pope, which is why I cannot watch on TV, he and his entourage of old men-bishops, all wearing dresses, while they continue to practice their sexist, elitist ways.

    You demonstrate an impressive memorization of the official script describing the early christian days. Pity we did not have the time to discuss other connected myths, such as a large ark made of wood, with no nails, and apparently leakproof; big enough to take two of everything, and enough food to feed them all, including elephants and giraffes, for a long period. Hard to keep hungry lions and other big cats from eating a few of the other animals, I'd imagine.

    We never had time either, to examine if Mary gave a virgin birth or not; you know, a myth common in other 'religions' in neighbouring countries in those days.

    Nor did we discuss, without a doubt, the most shameful myth of them all; one that has caused untold damage to the human spirit and psyche down through the ages: The abominatable lie about hell and the existence of an evil grand being (sort of like god) called the devil, or satan.

    There are some others too, but we don't have the time.

    I have some Jehovah's Witnesses in my family and your religious zeal and expression is uncannily like theirs. Could it be that your particular brand of this mythological religion could be called...JW? Your god impersonation in fact, was chillingly similar to the style they use. Hmmm. But alas for them, as you may well imagine, their thunderous fundamentalism has been unsuccessful in making me see their light. But I still love-em anyway.

    We now appear to be witnessing the continuance of the clash of two myths: Islam and christianity. Islam has even louder and more strident voices trying to prove how 'right' they are.

    Meanwhile, the truth is, what you call god and what they call allah, are one and the same, and there is no devil either. There is simply an energy that creates worlds and flows through you and me and every living and inanimate thing in the Universe. It is Infinite Love and it is what you are, deep in your Divine Inner Being. Namaste

    (Eastern form of acknowledging the Eternal in another)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Meanwhile, the truth is, what you call god and what they call allah, are one and the same, and there is no devil either. There is simply an energy that creates worlds and flows through you and me and every living and inanimate thing in the Universe. It is Infinite Love and it is what you are, deep in your Divine Inner Being. Namaste
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Double wow, Yep, ya got me. I do have a hidden agenda. In an Inquisition, I was burned at the stake for expressing views that opposed those of The Pope, which is why I cannot watch on TV, he and his entourage of old men-bishops, all wearing dresses, while they continue to practice their sexist, elitist ways.
    If so, then I believe God is sexist by your definition. Although it is incredible that this church you decry honors Jesus' Mother as higher even than the angels! Wow! It will take a while to take it all in.


    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    You demonstrate an impressive memorization of the official script describing the early christian days. Pity we did not have the time to discuss other connected myths, such as a large ark made of wood, with no nails, and apparently leakproof; big enough to take two of everything, and enough food to feed them all, including elephants and giraffes, for a long period. Hard to keep hungry lions and other big cats from eating a few of the other animals, I'd imagine.
    Not being a fundamentalist, I am happy to view it in an allegorical way, not caring whether it really happened as described or not.


    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    We never had time either, to examine if Mary gave a virgin birth or not; you know, a myth common in other 'religions' in neighbouring countries in those days.
    Yes, copies and foreshadowings of the truth abound everywhere. The sun/The Son is one of my favorite.


    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Nor did we discuss, without a doubt, the most shameful myth of them all; one that has caused untold damage to the human spirit and psyche down through the ages: The abominatable lie about hell and the existence of an evil grand being (sort of like god) called the devil, or satan.
    I can't for the life of me imagine how there could NOT be a hell for the simple reason of God's greatest yet most dangerous gift of all--FREE WILL. You can go where you want in life (spiritually speaking) and so if you want to totally alienate yourself from God, you have His Permission to do so. Free will really is free. You really can go to hell, create you own private hell, or whatever sense you wish to think of it in, and you can do it without turning back. The price of this godlike gift is steep, but I'd rather have it than be like my dog, living by instinct without the ability to make free, moral choices. God wants me in some sense to be able to experience life as He does--in total freedom!!


    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    There are some others too, but we don't have the time.

    I have some Jehovah's Witnesses in my family and your religious zeal and expression is uncannily like theirs. Could it be that your particular brand of this mythological religion could be called...JW? Your god impersonation in fact, was chillingly similar to the style they use. Hmmm. But alas for them, as you may well imagine, their thunderous fundamentalism has been unsuccessful in making me see their light. But I still love-em anyway.
    No. I also believe in a God Who is all loving, all merciful, all kind and caring, who loves you more wildly than you could ever imagine. The thunder side was somewhat for dramatic effect, although I challenge you not to be too simplistic in your view of what God, if He exists, must be like. It is not simple peaches and cream. Think about it, or rather, meditate on it. It might blow you mind once you get by the child's view of a man in the sky. I personally just have an inkling.


    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    We now appear to be witnessing the continuance of the clash of two myths: Islam and christianity. Islam has even louder and more strident voices trying to prove how 'right' they are.
    It is more a war of free people against an enslaved people mentality. Too bad the clerics are in charge in most Muslim countries. We tried that and found it didn't work. The extremist view of the Muslim leaders, many of them clerics, are driving the people into conflict with the democratic values of the west.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katweezel View Post
    Meanwhile, the truth is, what you call god and what they call allah, are one and the same, and there is no devil either. There is simply an energy that creates worlds and flows through you and me and every living and inanimate thing in the Universe. It is Infinite Love and it is what you are, deep in your Divine Inner Being. Namaste
    (Eastern form of acknowledging the Eternal in another)
    Oh, yes there is a devil and his band (a spiritual realm where some are obedient (angels) and some are disobedient (devils) all due to that terrifying and most gracious at the same time gift of Free Will. If you think long enough about it you will conclude that there can be no other way. Playing ring around the rosies and tossing flowers at passersby is a sweet sentiment, but denies the real world. This world will go down in turmoil. There is no possibility that man can make it work on his own. Yet I will do everything to bring the kingdom of God to this world. Only He can make it work. When man has failed utterly, He will wrap things up. Do we then come to a new world and a new heavens? That's my dream, be it heaven or right here on earth in the hereafter. I appreciate the eastern mystics and what they bring to the table, but I believe that as a human being, I will not be happy floating like a cloud immersed in the infinite consciousness, but instead, that my happiness in the end must entail a body as well, be it on a new earth or some other paradise made for the children and true followers of God. Therefore, I look forward to the ressurection and the life of the world to come.

    Nice talking with you.
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    I can't believe that you guys jacked this thread all around again. Don't you have any direction in threads at all? This thread is getting so far off base from what it started you should knock it off. Why would anyone with a shred of decency invade and cast ridicule on someone's beliefs. If you don't have anything nice to say to the person who started the thread, butt out! blackchipjim
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    I also believe in a God Who is all loving, all merciful, all kind and caring, who loves you more wildly than you could ever imagine.
    And if you don't return that love to his son you'll burn in eternal damnation.

    Oh, and who is his son? HE is his son!

    Have I got it right? zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Your ego denial is in effect chopping your own tree down. There is no need for a zen zone to assist you in the process. Like the proverbial atheist skydiving through life without a parachute, "Wow, what a ride!" True, at least up to the very end. Splat!
    "Ego denial"! Classic!
    The sound at the end is not splat, its "whooooshh" zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    And if you don't return that love to his son you'll burn in eternal damnation.

    Oh, and who is his son? HE is his son!

    Have I got it right? zg
    Actually, if you don't return that love to God, it means you are by your own choice turning away from God, which is what hell is--alienation from God. Wherever you find yourself, it's you (not you, zg, but so to speak) who put yourself there. If you don't like the darkness, head for lighter domains, which coincidentally are closer to God the source of all light.

    He is God. The Son is God. They are two distinct Persons. There is only one God. Altogether there are three distinct Persons in One God, and each of them is fully God by themselves. Still there is but one God. This is the Christian mystery of the Trinity, One God in three distinct Persons, each fully God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    "Ego denial"! Classic!
    The sound at the end is not splat, its "whooooshh" zg
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    Chris Dierkes at Indistinct Union writes -

    From my favorite text of his called Enlightenment of the Whole Body -
    Adi Da on Death as Life
    The real man or woman learns to live by becoming willing and able to die. Such a one is able to confront the difficult barriers and frustrations of this slightly evolved world and yet remain capable of ecstasy in every moment.

    Therefore, the primary initiation that leads to human maturity is the confrontation with mortal fear. Only when the ultimate frustration that is death has been fully considered and felt and understood as a process can the individual live without self-protective and self-destructive fears.

    Only in intuitive freedom from the threat and fear of death is the individual capable of constant love of Life and also transcendence of the frustrating and self-binding effects of daily experience. Only in freedom from mortal recoil is the individual capable of ecstasy under all conditions.

    Therefore, be alive, but learn Life by first dealing with your death.

    Become aware that you do not live, but that you are lived by Life. Become the devotee of Life by surrendering your illusion of independent life, which is the self, or body-mind, in ecstatic Communion with the Real. Become willing to die in any moment, and maintain no inward armor against it. Die in every moment by not holding on to your life. Give your life up to Life, and allow Life to transform and Translate the body-mind into Itself.

    The Secret and the Realization of all of this is in the Teaching and the Way and the Company of the Spiritual Master. In that Way is the only positive Destiny of the individual and the world

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    What is said here reminds me of a monk, living in the monastery at Berryville, VA. When asked what his goal was, he answered that he was spending each day preparing to die. As I recall, he was cloistered, but this was no sudden decision. It took 22 years in the monastic community before he was allowed to withdraw to a solitary life. I read Thomas Merton when I was young and remember how interested he was with Eastern mysticism. It does have a Christian counterpart, but the doctrines are necessarily different.
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    The Reverend John Hagee called beloved Adi Da's Dawn Horse Testament "one of the principal false doctrines of our current time!" zg
    Ken Wilber - Dawn Horse Testament review



    "This is not merely my personal opinion; this is a perfectly obvious fact, available to anyone of intelligence, sensitivity, and integrity: The Dawn Horse Testament is the most ecstatic, most profound, most complete, most radical, and most comprehensive single spiritual text ever to be penned and confessed by the Human Transcendental Spirit. That seems an objective fact; here is my own personal and humbler opinion. I am honored (even awed) to be allowed in its Presence, to listen to and Hear the Potent Message of the Heart-Master Da. How can the soul not bow down to such a Message? What other is the appropriate response? How can I not say what I am saying? How, in the face of such a Testament, can we possible justify neglect?

    At the very least, it is perfectly obvious that there is now no excuse whatsoever for any intelligent and spiritually-minded person, of whatever persuasion, not to be at least a student (or one who simply studies the Written Teachings) of Master Da Free John. The days of denial are over; this nonsense of neglect cannot continue, with any rational reason. I ask my friends, my students, my readers, even my casual acquaintances, to see and recognize and--above all--confess the Realization that Master Da is.

    I do not understand why so many thousands of people--who have heartily expressed to me the opinion that my own written works express great clarity, judgment, and understanding--balk and look in disbelief when I speak ecstatically of the Heart Master Da. It is as if my friends believe everything I say except that Master Da is a genuine Adept, Free at the Heart, Confessed in Radiance, Transcendent to it all. How has my judgment suddenly lapsed in regard to this Man? I am as certain of this Man as I am of anything I have written--in fact, as certain as I am of my own hand (which apparently claps by itself in solitude when it comes to this Great Issue). So I make only one request: if you do only one thing to test my judgment in this matter, please read this Dawn Horse Testament cover to cover (and I mean cover to cover), an then I will be glad to argue with you if you still wish--but not before. And, I think, we will then see who the Master of the Heart really is. Is that not fair? Read this Man, Listen to this Man, Hear this Man, then See Him. And then, I think, you will stand Smiling. What else do you really want? What else can I say?"

    Ken Wilber, author
    • No Boundary : Eastern and Western Approaches to Personal Growth
    • A Brief History of Everything
    • The Marriage of Sense and Soul : Integrating Science and Religion
    • A Theory of Everything : An Integral Vision for Business, Politics, Science and Spirituality
    • The Spectrum of Consciousness
    • Integral Psychology : Consciousness, Spirit, Psychology, Therapy
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