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    With all kidding aside, whether it was by terrorists, insiders, the government, or any other group of people, it was a hideous act. It inflicted pain and suffering upon 1000's upon 1000's of people, but the sad part is that the public is not hearing about the 1000's of volunteers and workers that have died or will die from exposure to the toxins during the clean up of the debris.

    I know of a number of people whom put in 12 hours days, 7 days a week working at ground zero during the clean up phase that later developed asthma, irreversible health ailments, skin problems and more. They have friends who have the same or have died from health complications due to the days of exposure to the hazadous particles and fumes.

    The scientific reasons, the experts opinions, etc., for the collapse is so minor an issue at this point. We should be thankful to all those that helped and realize that with everyone's efforts combined we became a mighty force of 1 nation, INDIVISIBLE.
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    This study, posed by the National Institute of Standards and Technology -- a federal scientific agency which promotes technical industrial standards -- marks the first 'official' government theory on the collapse.
    if the govt knew at the time (3 years ago) that this building 7 was the source of numerous conspiracy theories, (and the intention was to put our minds at ease) then why didnt they use 2 independant labs to prove it was simply fire? ...or not?

    2 different sets of scientists sureley would have come up with the same results.

    the govt using its own people makes the investigation itself more suspicious.

    2 labs would have done an investigation faster, cheaper... and dare I say... honestly?

    fellas, I just dont get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    if the govt knew at the time (3 years ago) that this building 7 was the source of numerous conspiracy theories, (and the intention was to put our minds at ease) then why didnt they use 2 independant labs to prove it was simply fire? ...or not?

    2 different sets of scientists sureley would have come up with the same results.

    the govt using its own people makes the investigation itself more suspicious.

    2 labs would have done an investigation faster, cheaper... and dare I say... honestly?

    fellas, I just dont get it
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    By NIST?? Thats like relying on Sandia to tell us that "DU is safe" zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    At least a couple hundred scientists, engineers and architects who have looked closely at this will disagree with you. Fire doesn't cause a steel skyscraper to collapse at near freefall speed directly into its own footprint. WTC-7 is the smoking gun of 9/11. zg
    It's already been proven conclusively that it did not fall at anywhere near freefall speed. If WTC-7 is the smoking gun, then it's the smoking gun that busts all the 911 conspiracy theories. Name:  busted.gif
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Never in history had ANY steel skyscraper collapsed due to fire - other fires burned hotter and longer.
    Than we have THREE in one day under questionable circumstances. Wake up and smell the COUP D'TET! zg
    Keep your eyes on the road. Day dreaming can be dangerous to you health. Wake up before you wreck your COUPE D' VILLE! aslan

    There were a lot of firsts for the WTC. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been hit with a plane traveling 500 miles an hour and had its fire proofing removed from its trusses. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever had its steel columns which hold lateral load sheared off by a 767. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been a building which had its vertical load bearing columns in its core removed by an airliner.

    Read more -->http://www.debunking911.com/firsttime.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutus View Post
    if the govt knew at the time (3 years ago) that this building 7 was the source of numerous conspiracy theories, (and the intention was to put our minds at ease) then why didnt they use 2 independant labs to prove it was simply fire? ...or not?

    2 different sets of scientists sureley would have come up with the same results.

    the govt using its own people makes the investigation itself more suspicious.

    2 labs would have done an investigation faster, cheaper... and dare I say... honestly?

    fellas, I just dont get it

    anyone know where the official insurance company investigation could be?
    what was the outcome from that? what was the amount of the check?
    and btw no insurance company I have ever dealt with would pay (much less full price) on some bogus claim. so who could have possibly been an expert witness to testify that a fire could cause this kind of damage since its never happened before?
    I know a little about steel and that steel comes in different grades, but structural steel? how?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever had its steel columns which hold lateral load sheared off by a 767. In all the history of high-rise fires, not one has ever been a building which had its vertical load bearing columns in its core removed by an airliner.
    i'm not sure how that is possible, or could be proven.
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    President Bush Speaks to United Nations:
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    President Bush Speaks to United Nations:
    "We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous
    conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th;
    malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists,
    themselves, away from the guilty.
    Darn good advice!
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    Suppose Building Seven Was A Murder Victim

    Seven Years After the Suspicious Fall, A Stunning Scenario
    Debases Both Science & Sound Detective Work

    By Douglas Herman
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    Sunder: verb, to disunite, render, divide, cutting or breaking apart.

    Building Seven was the Bruce Ivins of buildings. Apparent murder victims disguised as suicides, both Ivins and WTC-7 deserved a better fate. The truth, swept under the rug with the wholehearted complicity of the US government and media, deserves a brighter light.

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    It's already been proven that none of the buildings fell at free fall or near free fall speed. That was all a deliberate distortion of the facts. But if you want to continue believing in fairy tales because it makes you feel good that you're the last great hope of saving your country, then go right ahead. Take some drugs, too; it makes it all seem more real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    It's already been proven that none of the buildings fell at free fall or near free fall speed.
    Absolutely they DID. The so-called "studies" that you previously cited were disinfo based on misleading semantics. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Absolutely they DID. The so-called "studies" that you previously cited were disinfo based on misleading semantics. zg
    Your contention is simply not true. Go to http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm The pictures/videos don't lie, and neither do the explanations. I would feel foolish believing as you do after examining the real evidence. But do as you wish; apparently, it does something for you. Knowing your intelligence, I assume you are just play-acting anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Your contention is simply not true. Go to http://www.debunking911.com/freefall.htm The pictures/videos don't lie, and neither do the explanations.
    Yes, the pictures, video and explanation together DO lie. zg

    FROM
    Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse?

    By Steven E. Jones
    Department of Physics and Astronomy
    Brigham Young University

    EXCERPT-
    14. The NIST team fairly admits that their report “does not actually include the structural behavior of the tower after the conditions for collapse initiation were reached.” (NIST, 2005, p. 80, fn. 1; emphasis added.) Quite a confession, since much of the external evidence for explosive demolition typically comes after collapse initiation, as seen in cases of acknowledged controlled demolition. (Harris, 2000.)

    The rapid fall of the Towers and WTC7 has been analyzed by several engineers/scientists (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/proofs/speed.html; Griffin, 2004, chapter 2). The roof of WTC 7 (students and I are observing the southwest corner) falls to earth in less than 6.6 seconds, while an object dropped from the roof would hit the ground in 6.0 seconds. This follows from t = (2H/g)1/2. Likewise, the Towers fall very rapidly to the ground, with the upper part falling nearly as rapidly as ejected debris which provide free-fall references (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/proofs/speed.html; Griffin, 2004, chapter 2).

    Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum — one of the foundational Laws of Physics? That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors — and intact steel support columns — the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. If the central support columns remained standing, then the effective resistive mass would be less, but this is not the case — somehow the enormous support columns failed/disintegrated along with the falling floor pans.

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