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    Quote Originally Posted by sagefr0g View Post
    there has been no agreement scientifically on the degree to which DU pollutes anything. and if it did it certainly could be cleaned up. what easier contamination is there to pick up if it has radioactive residue? as far as illegality as far as i can see there is nothing illegal about it. what legal entity are you refering to?
    how did those million die?
    Of course there is agreement, just not by responsible parties. DU CANNOT be picked up/cleaned up - its DUST - its ATOMIZED - and it not just pollutting Iraq - its airborne and spreading about the planet.
    To keep depleted uranium at the top of its weapons list, the Pentagon has distorted research that demonstrates how DU dust can work its way into the human body, potentially posing a grave health risk. According to a 1998 report by the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, the inhalation of DU particles can lead to symptoms such as fatigue, shortness of breath, lymphatic problems, bronchial complaints, weight loss, and an unsteady gait—symptoms that match those of sick veterans of the Gulf and Balkan wars. Dr. Rosalie Bertell, a Canadian epidemiologist, released a study in 1999 revealing that depleted uranium can stay in the lungs for up to two years. “When the dust is breathed in, it passes through the walls of the lung and into the blood, circulating through the whole body,” she wrote. Bertell concluded that exposure to depleted uranium, especially when inhaled, “represents a serious risk of damaged immune systems and fatal cancers.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Of course there is agreement, just not by responsible parties. DU CANNOT be picked up/cleaned up - its DUST - its ATOMIZED - and it not just pollutting Iraq - its airborne and spreading about the planet.
    To keep depleted uranium at the top of its weapons list, the Pentagon has distorted research that demonstrates how DU dust can work its way into the human body, potentially posing a grave health risk. According to a 1998 report by the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, the inhalation of DU particles can lead to symptoms such as fatigue, shortness of breath, lymphatic problems, bronchial complaints, weight loss, and an unsteady gait—symptoms that match those of sick veterans of the Gulf and Balkan wars. Dr. Rosalie Bertell, a Canadian epidemiologist, released a study in 1999 revealing that depleted uranium can stay in the lungs for up to two years. “When the dust is breathed in, it passes through the walls of the lung and into the blood, circulating through the whole body,” she wrote. Bertell concluded that exposure to depleted uranium, especially when inhaled, “represents a serious risk of damaged immune systems and fatal cancers.”
    US rejects Iraq DU clean-up

    By Alex Kirby
    BBC News Online environment correspondent


    The US says it has no plans to remove the debris left over from depleted uranium (DU) weapons it is using in Iraq.
    It says no clean-up is needed, because research shows DU has no long-term effects.

    It says a 1990 study suggesting health risks to local people and veterans is out of date.


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2946715.stm

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    do you know that the milk you drink today contains radioactive contaminants from way back when nuclear bombs were tested and detonated?
    how are the people in Japan managing to survive the radioactive contamination that resulted from our dropping nuclear bombs on their cities?
    DU can be cleaned up. the question is does it need to be.
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    Sandia Scientists Study "Natural" Alternative To Cleaning Up Uranium-Contaminated Sites
    ScienceDaily (Mar. 20, 2000) — ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- An innovative "natural" alternative to cleaning up uranium-contaminated sites is being studied by scientists at the Department of Energy's Sandia National Laboratories as a way to replace costly and sometimes ineffective traditional techniques.

    "This is an innovative approach to uranium cleanup," says Sandia scientist Malcolm Siegel who has been working with colleague Charles Bryan to characterize the process for three years. "Natural attenuation has become an accepted method for cleaning up soils and groundwaters contaminated with toxins that can be eliminated through biological processes -- where microorganisms break down organic contaminants. Here, instead, the uranium becomes strongly bound to the mineral naturally."
    Called natural attenuation, the method relies on a naturally occurring process that adsorbs soluble uranium and metals onto a mineral surface. As the coatings age and recrystallize, the uranium eventually becomes encased in the mineral and cannot escape into groundwater or soil.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0320091106.htm


    but what about my question regarding the million extra Iraqi's that died. how did they die?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagefr0g View Post
    there has been no agreement scientifically on the degree to which DU pollutes anything. and if it did it certainly could be cleaned up. what easier contamination is there to pick up if it has radioactive residue? as far as illegality as far as i can see there is nothing illegal about it. what legal entity are you refering to?
    how did those million die?
    I haven't been able to verify anything he is saying. It would be hard to believe that our soldiers including officers would continue to live in a polluted area where they will die from poisoning. They have just as much access to the Inet as we.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    I haven't been able to verify anything he is saying. It would be hard to believe that our soldiers including officers would continue to live in a polluted area where they will die from poisoning. They have just as much access to the Inet as we.
    Not just soldiers and civilians in Iraq - the atomized dust is encircling the planet,
    adding immensely to the radioactive imbalance and increase worldwide in cancers. zg

    Google: "du depleted soldiers dying"

    Background on Depleted Uranium Ammunition
    For much more information check out:
    The Federation of American Scientists has a Depleted Uranium Ammunition page.
    And the Military Toxics Project has a campaign against depleted uranium weapons.
    (below) US Armor Piercing Incendiary [Depleted Uranium] 30mm Ammunition
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Not just soldiers and civilians in Iraq - the atomized dust is encircling the planet,
    adding immensely to the radioactive imbalance and increase worldwide in cancers. zg

    Google: "du depleted soldiers dying"

    Background on Depleted Uranium Ammunition
    For much more information check out:
    The Federation of American Scientists has a Depleted Uranium Ammunition page.
    And the Military Toxics Project has a campaign against depleted uranium weapons.
    (below) US Armor Piercing Incendiary [Depleted Uranium] 30mm Ammunition

    The Truth About Depleted Uranium (2001)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagefr0g View Post
    but what about my question regarding the million extra Iraqi's that died. how did they die?
    The full pandemic spectrum of breakdown leads to the majority of deaths, not due to instant violence, but rather, disease, cancers, medical neglect, hunger, etc. All due directly to the US illegal dispicable imperialist oil-driven invasion. Its a MILLION EXTRA DEATHS since 2003, give or take 100k. zg
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    The full pandemic spectrum of breakdown leads to the majority of deaths, not due to instant violence, but rather, disease, cancers, medical neglect, hunger, etc. All due directly to the US illegal dispicable imperialist oil-driven invasion. Its a MILLION EXTRA DEATHS since 2003, give or take 100k. zg
    I don't think so.
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    What do you have to do, to get into the zenzone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack,jackson View Post
    What do you have to do, to get into the zenzone?
    Sacrifice your firstborn would be one way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aslan View Post
    Sacrifice your firstborn would be one way.
    no there is another way. watch and you shall see! zgity doo daahh
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    Quote Originally Posted by zengrifter View Post
    Whats this sh*t? zg
    Freed hostage gets hero's welcome in France By ANGELA DOLAND, Associated Press Writer
    38 minutes ago



    PARIS - "I cry with joy," Ingrid Betancourt said. And she did. After six years as a hostage in the Colombian jungle, the former Colombian presidential candidate and French citizen flew back to her beloved France to be embraced Friday as an icon by the country that raised her.


    A hero's welcome — led by President Nicolas Sarkozy — greeted Betancourt from the moment she descended from the plane at the Villacoublay air base southwest of Paris. A dual French-Colombian citizen, Betancourt was campaigning for Colombia's presidency when she was kidnapped in 2002.

    Betancourt won a hug from Sarkozy — who called her "radiant" — and a kiss from first lady Carla Bruni-Sarkozy. Talking excitedly and smiling broadly, they were joined by Betancourt's children, other family members and French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner.

    "It's a very, very moving moment for me: Breathing the air of France, being with you," Betancourt told supporters and reporters gathered on the windswept tarmac. "France is my home and you are my family."

    "I have cried a lot during this time from pain and indignation. Today, I am crying from joy," she said, her voice choked and eyes moist.

    Betancourt's captivity caused widespread concern in France, and her supporters held candlelight vigils and marches around the country urging efforts to free her from the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. Her release Wednesday in an ingenious Colombian military operation along with 14 other hostages prompted celebrations around France.

    Betancourt appealed to Sarkozy for help in freeing thousands of other hostages who remain in Colombia's jungles.

    "I still need you, because we cannot leave them where they are," she said at later at a party in her honor at the presidential palace. "They are suffering, they are alone."

    Sarkozy said Betancourt's rescue sends a message to people in difficult situations that "it's worth it to fight. There is no such thing as inevitability."

    "All those who suffer, like you, throughout the world should know that ... there is a light at the end of the tunnel," he said in greeting her. "You are free, radiant, with your life ahead of you and surrounded by your family."

    Betancourt, her family and supporters later went to a party at the presidential palace staged in her honor Friday. Hundreds of people, some carrying Colombian or French flags and many with cameras, lined up behind police barriers around the Elysee palace in hopes of getting a glimpse of her.

    She exhibited a sense of humor in describing her ordeal in the jungle. "There was no sun, no sky, just a green ceiling. I am very ecological, but no, that was too much," she said, to laughter from the gathered supporters.

    Betancourt was to undergo medical exams Saturday at Val-de-Grace military hospital in Paris, Sarkozy's office said. It said the chief doctor in the French president's office, Christophe Fernandez, already gave Betancourt a preliminary medical exam aboard the French government plane that carried her to France.

    From the Vatican, Pope Benedict XVI sent word Friday that he would be happy to meet with Betancourt as soon as his schedule permits. He had met with her mother at the Vatican in February.

    Betancourt spent much of her childhood in France and attended university at Paris' Institut d'Etudes Politiques. Her own children — Melanie, 22, and Lorenzo, 19 — reached adulthood in Paris during her captivity.

    Betancourt was reunited with her children in Colombia on Thursday. Interviewed by Europe-1 radio before her arrival in France, said she was proud of how her children had forged "extraordinary characters" in her absence.

    She recalled humiliating treatment by the FARC, saying she had to wear chains 24 hours a day for three years.

    "When you have a chain around your neck, you have to keep your head down and try to accept your fate without succumbing entirely to humiliation, without forgetting who you are," she said.

    Sarkozy made freeing Betancourt a priority the night he was elected France's president in May 2007. The previous government of Jacques Chirac also worked for her release, and then-Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin is a longtime friend of Betancourt.

    Betancourt's release was a big image boost for Sarkozy; even his rivals acknowledged that his diplomatic efforts kept up the pressure on Colombia to find ways to get her released.

    But Sarkozy had been pushing for negotiations with the FARC, not a military raid, and his top aide said he was not informed of the operation that freed her until minutes before the first Colombian media reports about it emerged


    what do you think of that zg ? freedom's a good thing, NO? capice?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack,jackson View Post
    What do you have to do, to get into the zenzone?
    your already there jj. just read the seminar http://www.zenzoneforum.com/showthread.php?t=10630 and your all encompassing consciousness will do the rest. oh yeah and click your heel's together three times. then chant zgity doo daahhh
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    happy Fourth of July everyone!
    thank you America it's been a great life so far!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagefr0g View Post
    happy Fourth of July everyone!
    thank you America it's been a great life so far!
    I'll second that! Even with all the times I messed up, America kept giving me chance after chance to get my act together. What a great country. Anywhere else, it might have been, one strike and you're out. This is one great country! Don't focus on lying politicians, greedy business people, and out of control misfits who trade their freedom for drug habits and crime. Most the people in this great land are hard working, conscientious, decent, responsible, courageous, honest, compassionate, and grateful for their many blessings. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
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